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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: chris gadsden on September 02, 2010, 10:09:42 PM
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Went out to Peg today to get some requested stills pictures for FOC.
Also filmed some of the action, note the segment at the end, not the best practices.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sjY_OHZiHk
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That looks like fun, very peaceful and relaxing ::). Some of those guys are wading out far, looks like the water is moving quick. One wrong step and you could be in alot of trouble.
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What a zoo, it makes me sick to the stomach. I can't believe people will invest $200-400 dollars on fishing gear, $45 on licenses, $10-50 on gas, and 3-8 hours of their day to do THIS.
If it's "only for the meat" because it's a "meat fishery", then save your money and buy the fish from the store or docks. If this is considered a great day on the river, snagging the hell out of fish, and well worth the crowds and the higher $ per pound of meat as opposed to purchasing it, then I'm at a loss. I wish this circus show bouncing betty crap was banned - for fishings sake.
This modern snag fishery CRAP is a disgrace to fisherman and fishing itself.
It's not fishing, it's not fun.. it's an abomination.
You wouldn't catch me DEAD doing that.
/vent over
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I have had my fair share of sockeye this year. I just dont understand why anyone would "catch and release them". Give another spot up for someone in the GONG SHOW. I definatly dont go there but its only reasonable. Evene at the spot I go to with the boats I see poeple "catch and release sockeye". WHY??? Take your fish and leave! Original poster has alot of great posts +1!!!!
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What a gong show
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And the wife or girlfriend is so proud of her man...............
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Truthfully when i bought my tidal licence this year I had full intentions of sockeye harvesting thinking it would be a good year but I think jon5hill put it best and I have zero desire to partake in it and would really rather buy them from the market.
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Because I live in Chilliwack, and the cost/reward ratio is extremely one sided (in my favor), I apprieciate this fishery. I have NOT however fished at Peg Leg this year. There are many quieter bars for me to fish at. If I lived in Vancouver, there is no way I'd drive out here for this...especially with stories of guys getting fish for less then 10 bucks each of the docks.
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Truthfully when i bought my tidal licence this year I had full intentions of sockeye harvesting thinking it would be a good year but I think jon5hill put it best and I have zero desire to partake in it and would really rather buy them from the market.
I hope you have a boat! Otherwise you'd have to put in some serious hours trying to catch a Sockeye from shore in the Tidal portion of the Fraser. ;D
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Are these people high grading?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsAGooEP4o0
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yes, ...flossing!! like some type of fly-fishing!!
and not only pegleg or not only Fraser are looking like that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khp6flDjao8&NR=1
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Yeha... and it appears the op is experimenting with a new short floating technique at the 51" mark ;D
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Are these people high grading?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsAGooEP4o0
Not sure if you were serious or joking, Ivan, but looks like they were a research group catching sockeye - not highgrading. :)
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/vent over
Maybe next time you can just open your window and shout it out ?..... ??? I certainly didn't need to hear it...
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Maybe next time you can just open your window and shout it out ?..... ??? I certainly didn't need to hear it...
This is a fishing discussion forum. You don't want to hear it? Don't read it - no one is forcing you! :)
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Exactly,so why are you replying back...Action/Reaction :P!!!
Because it's a forum and I like discussing things. :)
Don't really understand your comment, but you're welcome to it!
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YEP....just like I'm welcome to my allowed limit of sockeye no matter how I choose to fish for them as determined by the written regulations.
Alwaysfishin was just stating his input in this discussion, that's how I see it!
I didn't deny you your "limit of sockeye".
As for your view of Alwaysfishn's retort - incorrect. Alwaysfishn stated he didn't want to read that. He didn't say he disagreed, or give reasons why he was offended (or upset, or whatever he was, I'm not sure), but that he didn't need to hear it. :)
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(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3106/2326672905_6c8268e011_o.jpg)
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(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3106/2326672905_6c8268e011_o.jpg)
LOL
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I'm still wondering if that's chris g. testing a new Drennan float ;D
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Not sure if you were serious or joking, Ivan, but looks like they were a research group catching sockeye - not highgrading. :)
Haha thanks for the clarification Tex :)
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Haha thanks for the clarification Tex :)
No prob! Good luck out there.
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I still get a chuckle everytime Rod posts that cartoon. :D
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Not long before the "Gong Show" shifts over to the smaller systems and similar topics flood the forum.
It seems that year after the year, the attempts of a few to educate and convert anglers to proper and ethical fishing tactics is getting far outdone by the fast spreading fine art of flossing/snagging. I'm only guessing, but I'd think that flossing has been around longer than most people realize. Where the problem lies today is in the increasing popularity of the sport and the lack of proper direction for the new anglers. While certain programs do exist (Fish for the Future) and help tremendously for early development of ethical anglers, it's all downhill from there as these kids are exposed, by friends and family, to current flossing scenario on the Fraser and the later run of salmon up the smaller systems (Vedder, Stave, etc.).
The inherent problem with salmon fishing in fresh water is the lack of a feeding instinct, which presents all sorts of problems for inexperienced and sometimes experienced anglers. This problem is amplified in smaller systems (Vedder) by the ever changing river conditions and the constant need for tactical adaptation and tackle selection. Throw in the fact that the river is full of fish, and it's not long before flossing tactics rear their ugly heads. Why? It's simple, effective, and to those who do it it's fun because it gets fish to the shore. Why do experienced anglers do it? Partly for the reason just mentioned, and partly due to frustration of not being able to get one to bite while many around them are pulling fish to the shore. It's like a disease.
One thing that's new to me, is the recent act by "ethical" anglers who have resorted to flossing on the Fraser just because the fish won't bite. I am perplexed by this as they have taught themselves their whole lives to try to be innovative and never give up on attempting to get the fish to bite. And if in the end they are unsuccessful, they should never under any circumstance turn to an act that results in a possession of a fish which was caught for a reson other that willing biting of a presentation on the hook.
To me, the word "harvest" (used by many to justify their "entitlement" to sockeye), is something that legaly has no place in current regulations found under the Provincial Sport Fishing Licence.
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For someone who is disgusted by the flossing for sockeye fishery, you sure spend alot of time out there and posting videos of all the people and mess left behind. What is the point?
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For someone who is disgusted by the flossing for sockeye fishery, you sure spend alot of time out there and posting videos of all the people and mess left behind. What is the point?
Just showing what is going on and cleaning up the mess at the same time as well as the recyclables to pay for the gas spent while sevicing the few garbage bags I have on the Fraser and Vedder. That reminds me I must get the ones I picked up to the landfill before it closes today, at my own expense. ???
Also I hope you will be able to come to the cleanup of the mess left by some on the Fraser on October 16, more details to come but I talked to FOC today who were doing a check of people leaving Peg and they have offered their truck to haul garbage to the landfill. ;D ;D
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Chris is a good Samaritan to the rivers, no doubt about it. Though I disagree with him on the sockeye fishery, I truly appreciate his selfless act to keep the rivers clean. We do our share of cleaning in the bars we fish. I am even recycling those expensive broken braided lines right now & put them on my spool. Tie a good connecting knot and they are good to go (at least for sockeyes). I encourage all your flossers to love your flossing bars and keep it clean. Good for you and good for the fish. :)
Back to the subject of sockeye fishery, it is here to stay if there is enough fish to share. Why some go to the crowded spots to catch their fish and others hate it? Well, we are humans and we don't think alike, particularly if we come from different cultures and ethnic backgrounds. Let's just respect the differences. If you spot illegal acts, just report to authorities. It is a legal fishery, and some people find it fun to pursue this fishery allowed by DFO. Those who don't enjoy it, there are always trout lakes or sturgeons, or even fishing video games. ;D
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Chris is a good Samaritan to the rivers, no doubt about it. Though I disagree with him on the sockeye fishery, I truly appreciate his selfless act to keep the rivers clean. We do our share of cleaning in the bars we fish. I am even recycling those expensive broken braided lines right now & put them on my spool. Tie a good connecting knot and they are good to go (at least for sockeyes). I encourage all your flossers to love your flossing bars and keep it clean. Good for you and good for the fish. :)
Back to the subject of sockeye fishery, it is here to stay if there is enough fish to share. Why some go to the crowded spots to catch their fish and others hate it? Well, we are humans and we don't think alike, particularly if we come from different cultures and ethnic backgrounds. Let's just respect the differences. If you spot illegal acts, just report to authorities. It is a legal fishery, and some people find it fun to pursue this fishery allowed by DFO. Those who don't enjoy it, there are always trout lakes or sturgeons, or even fishing video games. ;D
I appreciate this post.
We can disagree on lots of things but can still work together to make things better and respect each other. Gosh just ask my wife after 45 years of living in the same house. ;D ;D ;D
A trip to the Thompson for jacks, grouse, deer hunting and badminton at the Senior Games in Campbell River will have me on the road for a couple of weeks so I will not be able to visit "The Peg" but I will be checking in every so often on FWR. ;D ;D
After that there is the BC River's day cleanup and celebration on the Chilliwack Vedder on Sept. 26, cleanup on The Fraser including "The Peg" October 16 and then the Alexandra Morton's big Paddle down the Fraser in support of wild salmon a few days later. I, Buckeye and Buck's wife are helping plan the celebration here in Chilliwack.
Of course a few coho in between, boy I love the Fall. ;D ;D
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Tho only thing missing was the banjo music playing in the background by the look of most of those so called fisherpersons ( I have to be politically correct).
Keep us posted on the clean up date Chris.
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I think the disgrace at the Peg has alot to do with the close proximity to the city and the ease of access to the river.Probally alot of these anglers and i use the term loosely are for the most part just out to harvest a limit of sockeye period.Thier not really sport fisherman and this is probally the only fishing they do in the entire yr so they dont know any better and or dont really care.The pink fishery on the Vedder last yr was just as digusting as what we see going on at the Peg. But dont worry it will soon all be over.
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YEP....just like I'm welcome to my allowed limit of sockeye no matter how I choose to fish for them as determined by the written regulations.
Alwaysfishin was just stating his input in this discussion, that's how I see it!
Just curious ChromeKings, do you find flossing salmon fun? Don't get defensive or anything I'm not insinuating anything, I just want to know if you find it enjoyable to spend the day in crowded areas snagging fish intentionally.
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Just curious ChromeKings, do you find flossing salmon fun? Don't get defensive or anything I'm not insinuating anything, I just want to know if you find it enjoyable to spend the day in crowded areas snagging fish intentionally.
I am just curious. Did you get any sockeye this year? By any means, either catching them yourself or buying them.
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Yup,
A friend of mine picked up 6 fish for me in Richmond a couple of weeks ago. The fish was handled well, bled and gutted, on ice and absolutely delicious. I paid 80 for the lot of them. I've heard the price has dropped since then?
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i'm starting to hear stories from the commies and first nations about the glut of sockeyes saturating the market...so much so that their selling price (wholesale) is averaging 80 cents per pound....stories of incidental catches like sturgies and cohos being drowned, etc.
i think everyone recognizes that the sockeye fishery is a meat industry...so whether you're buying or catching sockeye, you're a willing participant in this already mismanaged fishery.
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I was having lunch at Shady Island restaurant by the Fishermen's Wharf earlier in the week. Their special of the day was sockeye steak for $11.99 ! You can buy a whole sockeye for $10 just a few feet from the restaurant. Wonder how many "specials" they sold that day ? ;)
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i think everyone recognizes that the sockeye fishery is a meat industry...so whether you're buying or catching sockeye, you're a willing participant in this already mismanaged fishery.
No, the sockeye fishery is a manufacturing industry. No, the sockeye fishery is a service industry. Wait...aren't sockeye made out of meat and don't they sell they sockeye meat. Dadgummit, you're right; the sockeye fishery is a meat industry.
Every housewife in the Prairies that buys a can of sockeye this winter for her kid's lunch is a willing participant in the mismanaged fishery. Shame on her! ::)
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yes, she is. that is how boycotting works.
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:D :D :D :D..... ;D
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.....I think we get the idea from your previous posts about this fishery!!
Then don't do it. And stay off the river. ;D
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Jon5hill, there are many more things in life you should be worrying about (such as why north americans are not donating to flood relief in pakistan, the continuing problems in haiti, where to get your hair cut next) than altering the behavior of other people so that they conform to your ideals. Having an opinion is fine, trying to ram it down the throats of others, especially when their behavior is being condoned by regulators just comes off as self righteous and pushy.
Some people like it, some people don't. On an individual level, to each his own. What most of us seem to agree on is what most of us should be concentrating our efforts on instead of continually attacking and belittling each other; that is, doing what we can in terms of lobbying regulators to have sockeye season specific regulations that prevent this method from finding its way into other systems and affecting other fish populations. As long as the status quo holds, nothing will change and we'll see the same discussions every year. I know for fact that we have some vocal and more importantly connected members on this site. I would be curious as to their opinion on sockeye specific regulations and how feasible they would be to implement. (Paging the OP!)
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Do I enjoy spending a day in crowded areas, of course not! It's not for sport or enjoyment, it's a food or meat fishery for me. Why spend more money buying Sockeye at a store or wharf when you can get your fish yourself.
"Snagging fish intentionally"...Well, I don't go there intending to snag fish. I go there hoping that a fish takes my offering. I simply cast out a weight with 7-10ft leader, a coloured corkie and some wool and wait till a fish takes it. It's not like I'm out there seeing the fish and trying to direct the hook close to it's mouth then trying to snag them....that's illegal!!
Have I actually gone out this year for Sockeye? Nope....haven't fished, bought or even eaten sockeye yet this year! I could have gone but didn't need to kill fish unless I was going to eat it right away. I haven't missed an opening in many years but since I had no room to store fish in my freezer I didn't bother.
My turn...Just curious Jon5hill, do you find fishing for dark spawning steelhead fun?
well, if it is taken on a fly set up that maybe even more fun.
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No, the sockeye fishery is a manufacturing industry. No, the sockeye fishery is a service industry. Wait...aren't sockeye made out of meat and don't they sell they sockeye meat. Dadgummit, you're right; the sockeye fishery is a meat industry.
Every housewife in the Prairies that buys a can of sockeye this winter for her kid's lunch is a willing participant in the mismanaged fishery. Shame on her! ::)
well, i think we can excuse her... like they say, ignorance is bliss. 8) i was referring more to the guys who know better. ::)
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Let's all become vegetarians and leave those poor creatures alone ;D. Where is the sports when the other side (the fish) are always unwilling participants. It is really fish harassment no matter how you spin it.