Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: chris gadsden on November 25, 2017, 07:43:16 PM
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http://www.theprogress.com/news/last-days-for-notorious-homeless-camp-in-chilliwack-river-valley/
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Too little too late is right. Scum bags >:(
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I sure hope that they don’t move near my neighbourhood. I would rather have them out there. Just saying.
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I sure hope that they don’t move near my neighbourhood. I would rather have them out there. Just saying.
And that, I believe, is why they have not been evicted earlier. The city and all others concerned have been told about this problem for months but the problem is always, where will they go from there?
The Teskey camp was visible to only the Promontory people until the leaves recently came off, then social media took over.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad their going, but others most likely will be back.
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I think it is a problem that they are stealing and polluting the river system.
I don’t care so much about them living or camping on the river.
RCMP should be concerned with the amount of stolen property and safety of those who they stole it from.
If there was no theft and pollution involved, most of the public would not care.
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there was another camp down by the power lines in mid september when i was there.
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homeless people camping on rivers and streams has become a common occurrence in the Fraser Valley. Maybe there is an affordable housing problem? Do you think?
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homeless people camping on rivers and streams has become a common occurrence in the Fraser Valley. Maybe there is an affordable housing problem? Do you think?
The drug problem out here is far worse then the affordable housing problem. When you spend all your money on drugs it doesn’t matter if rent is 10 dollars a month. It’s still not getting paid
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The drug problem out here is far worse then the affordable housing problem. When you spend all your money on drugs it doesn’t matter if rent is 10 dollars a month. It’s still not getting paid
Speaks the truth...
city of vancouver has built about 4 buildings downtown in prime areas and it’s all social housing. Homeless are given a room and set off in the right path to recovery and getting work. It’s a disaster, the buildings are all destroyed and they are barely two years old. Drug dealers have moved in and are selling and Living there. I used to service to HVAC there but won’t go back. The stuff I’ve seen..incredible... one day a guy went insane and was chopping down doors with an axe on one of the floors...
Build the social housing you want and it’s not going to make a difference in the drug problem. Lots of homeless choose to be homeless because shelters don’t allow dogs and they don’t allow a half dozen shopping carts full of the crap they tote around, also you can’t openly use drugs in the shelter. So keeping your stuff and being able to use drugs whenever you want is a considering factor why these homeless camps are so busy.
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Yes how our society manages drug use is a big problem. However not everyone who is homeless has a substance abuse problem. Not everyone with a substance abuse problem supports it via theft or similar illegal activities. Friend of mine who had a breakdown was homeless for a few months as a result. Most people who go into social housing or shelters do not end up back on the street. That's a fact!
Looking at these issues via cliches & labeling won't provide much of a solution either.
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Your right, not all homeless are drug users and vicer versa. There is a small percentage of people that have mental health issues, and aren’t addicted to drugs i suppose. Some have mental health issues from the drugs.
Let’s no kid ourselves though. When you see a homeless camp with multiple bikes they aren’t avid cyclists, when you see a pile of lawn maitenance stuff lawnmowers and rakes lying around they aren’t gardeners. This is all stolen items scoured from around the neighbourhood stolen to ultimately sell to have money for drugs.
I’m going to go out on a lim and assume your friend who was homeless from a breakdown didn’t surround himself in stolen property that was to be sold for drug money. Two different types of homeless, this is typically the homeless you don’t see.They are living in cars or discretely away from the judging eyes of the public. The testky camp is probably responsible for some of the car break ins...
Your right most people who go into social housing don’t go back on the street. They just stay in social housing moving from municipality to municipality. Why would they go back on the street... it’s cold and hard. Much easier to work the system who you and I pay for through tax’s. Work harder someone else doesn’t have too ::)
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>:(.....this mayor needs to get her act together and get rcmp on these criminal camps...its rcmp job to combat theft. the more pressure RCMP put on these indivituals the less time they will have to organize these camps on a "regular" basis around here. constant harrassment is the key. Ive walked by the camp over a dozen times....garbage everywhere...absolute """"hole. Hopefully the next enforcement will be a full teardown.
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They surely are only a symptom, not the issue.
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Who are the homeless: http://homelesshub.ca/blog/infographic-who-are-canadas-homeless
http://www.readersdigest.ca/features/who-are-canadas-homeless/
Pretty hard to generalize - large proportions include youth who have left unsafe domestic situations and young single parent families.
75% of homeless young women suffer mental illness.
These are segment of the populations who are at particular risk.
Breaking up 'criminal camps' is likely to have minimal effect as such people just set up camp somewhere else.
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Let’s no kid ourselves though. When you see a homeless camp with multiple bikes they aren’t avid cyclists, when you see a pile of lawn maitenance stuff lawnmowers and rakes lying around they aren’t gardeners. This is all stolen items scoured from around the neighbourhood stolen to ultimately sell to have money for drugs.
Agreed.
And those are the "people at risk" who I have problems with.
They want drugs? They need drugs? So give them what they want.
It would be much more beneficial (and cheaper) for society to provide free access to drugs to all those who want them/need them/crave them.
Not to mention end users would be happy to get their fix without having to lie, steal or rob.
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They want drugs? They need drugs? So give them what they want.
Agreed. Even if you have a moral hangup about drugs, you have to admit that providing drugs to addicts (and treating addiction more like a health issue than a criminal justice issue) would be cheaper in the long run. The problem isn't going to go away by hassling addicts more so we might as well try to minimize the health (paying for hospital stays), criminal (paying for courts and prisons), and emotional costs (hard on families and first responders) associated with addiction.
Hospital ICU stays run several thousand dollars per person per day. We're all paying for universal health care (as it should be) so might as well try to keep costs down. The fact that addicts are human beings with human rights guaranteed by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms should also factor into peoples' thinking on this one :D
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I have a severe case of fishing addiction. Will the government give me fishing equipment to quell my addiction ? ;)
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CO 's visited the site yesterday and today, the tents and occupants should be gone soon.
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I have a severe case of fishing addiction. Will the government give me fishing equipment to quell my addiction ? ;)
trivial analogies don't lend much to the discussion...no matter how humourous!
Maybe one day, perhaps in my lifetime our governments will look at the drug issue and do the sensible thing; decriminalize and treat it as a health issue. The extent to which the justice and social support systems are overwhelmed by treating drug use as criminal issue isn't appreciated by the public. Plus there is the individual misery of the people caught up in an antiquated system ore suited to the 19th century that the 21st.
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Truth is, Winter is setting in and these people don’t stand a chance outside living the way they are. They will all go home to mom and Dad’s for Christmas, or to shelters or recovery centres to wait out the cold. By April/May they’ll be setting up again...guaranteed, and by the time the eyesore is big enough to notice, fall will be around the corner and the process will repeat once again.
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Agreed.
And those are the "people at risk" who I have problems with.
They want drugs? They need drugs? So give them what they want.
It would be much more beneficial (and cheaper) for society to provide free access to drugs to all those who want them/need them/crave them.
Not to mention end users would be happy to get their fix without having to lie, steal or rob.
I agree that's the root of the unlawful and harmful behavior, but it takes more than that, they then have too have a place to live , mental health counseling , self esteem and self worth to see themselves out of their addiction.The ultimate goal for them is to became a contributing member , this goes a long way to building their lives back up.
They are homeless shelters around , the decision to not go to them is either over crowding or the fact that you have to make a commitment to be off drugs, there has to be buy in from the individual .A little tough love I guess.Imho..
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I agree that's the root of the unlawful and harmful behavior, but it takes more than that, they then have too have a place to live , mental health counseling , self esteem and self worth to see themselves out of their addiction.The ultimate goal for them is to became a contributing member , this goes a long way to building their lives back up.
They are homeless shelters around , the decision to not go to them is either over crowding or the fact that you have to make a commitment to be off drugs, there has to be buy in from the individual .A little tough love I guess.Imho..
Some people say this is the life style they like to live? From the pictures I took and on a recent visit to these camps it is just a headquarters for robbing the fishers that park near their camp as well as resident in Chilliwack. The fisher who was involved watched the camp and saw them make their rounds from 12 to 4 AM returning with their loot.
If you are around about during this time you will see them on their bikes with backpacks on.
I wish there was an solution but they will always will be a certain percentage of people who want to live this way. When I first came to Vancouver in 1963 Skid Road was there and still is, even bigger even though so many agencies have tried to help and change things.
I am sure many have been helped and want help but there is so many that have not. It is just the way society is and always has been.
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Unfortunately the homeless situation is only going to get worse.
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https://www.theprogress.com/news/more-than-20000-pounds-of-garbage-removed-from-chilliwack-homeless-camps/
Another camp is set up above this one, not too big yet. It is being dealt with as we speak.
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https://www.theprogress.com/news/more-than-20000-pounds-of-garbage-removed-from-chilliwack-homeless-camps/
Another camp is set up above this one, not too big yet. It is being dealt with as we speak.
You can see the smoke from the campfire they have going everyday from across the river where I been fishing of late.