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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: alwaysfishn on May 05, 2013, 10:30:52 AM
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According to recently released emails under the freedom of information act, government officials like Dr Marty are asking the industry for permission before releasing what should be public information......
http://www.timescolonist.com/sports/fish-farms-allied-with-government-activists-say-1.146182 (http://www.timescolonist.com/sports/fish-farms-allied-with-government-activists-say-1.146182)
"Emails from Gary Marty, ministry fish pathologist at the Animal Health Centre, asks company veterinarians for the go-ahead to release specific information about the outbreaks to media.
“May I have permission to disclose information from the medical records about the two Mainstream outbreaks,” says an email from Marty to Mainstream Canada veterinarian Peter McKenzie. “If you want to provide partial permission, let me know and I can work around that. Otherwise, I will stick to information provided in the press releases.” ..........
“The [agriculture] ministry has no statutory authority to compel samples from fish farms for diagnostic analysis. All submissions from the farms for diagnostic testing are voluntary,” says the ministry statement."
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Sounds like a lot of important information is not going to released under the present situation. Looks like the dirty fish guy's have some politions in there pocket. Canada is a country that is easily duped, bribed and taken advantage of though.
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Sounds like a lot of important information is not going to released under the present situation. Looks like the dirty fish guy's have some politions in there pocket. Canada is a country that is easily duped, bribed and taken advantage of though.
"Be" "Their". Morton and her parrots knew we were easily duped years ago. Looks like Washington and all the US are next on "their" list. I have to say I am sorry that I believed her and her parrots from the start. Just a circus act now. What was your point to start with TB?
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My point was how sorry you are about donating money to Morten. Or did someone aready say that about a hundred times.
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"Be" "Their". Morton and her parrots knew we were easily duped years ago. Looks like Washington and all the US are next on "their" list. I have to say I am sorry that I believed her and her parrots from the start. Just a circus act now. What was your point to start with TB?
Why do you constantly divert attention to something that should get us all p.o.ed? This is information that should be under public scrutiny , not swept under the entrance rug. You're starting to sound desperate. Despite them being private companies they're using areas that belong to the us (the landlord), much like inspections of rental housing. If they're causing problems in the neighborhood, they need an eviction notice. I think your a "red herring" farmer.
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I don't blame him.
IHN = lethal to Atlantic's, but no effect on Pacific salmon.
With all the hype going around that Atlantic farms are "causing disease," why would he want more hype around them?
Why bring an endemic disease that has no real issues for native salmon to the public's eye?
So a couple farms died off because of a disease passed to them by Pacific's, what's the big deal? I'd say that's more of a company issue than a public issue.
Activists are trying to dig deeper and deeper to get even the smallest bit of dirt now... can't wait till they all disappear again until the next "big discovery" by AM.
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I don't blame him.
IHN = lethal to Atlantic's, but no effect on Pacific salmon.
With all the hype going around that Atlantic farms are "causing disease," why would he want more hype around them?
Why bring an endemic disease that has no real issues for native salmon to the public's eye?
So a couple farms died off because of a disease passed to them by Pacific's, what's the big deal? I'd say that's more of a company issue than a public issue.
Activists are trying to dig deeper and deeper to get even the smallest bit of dirt now... can't wait till they all disappear again until the next "big discovery" by AM.
Have to agree.
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I don't blame him.
I blame him for not having the b@lls to decide by himself what to report on. I blame him for having to ask the feedlot industry for permission to report on something that he already believed was important. According to that email he believed the issue should be reported....... until he found out the feedlot industry wouldn't give him permission.
That's just another reason why government and the feedlot industry can't be trusted to do the right thing for the environment!
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“The [agriculture] ministry has no statutory authority to compel samples from fish farms for diagnostic analysis. All submissions from the farms for diagnostic testing are voluntary,” says the ministry statement."
Really sounds like they got a firm grip on that industry. Dry cleaning business probably has stricter controlls. No wonder people have no faith in the whole fish farming scam.
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I blame him for not having the b@lls to decide by himself what to report on. I blame him for having to ask the feedlot industry for permission to report on something that he already believed was important. According to that email he believed the issue should be reported....... until he found out the feedlot industry wouldn't give him permission.
That's just another reason why government and the feedlot industry can't be trusted to do the right thing for the environment!
And you wonder why you get insulted! ::)
Maybe, just maybe the two sentences that were provided in the article may have been out of context?? Is it possible?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framing_effect_(psychology)
Some more helpful information for you. May help with your suppression of cognitive bias while reading various news items. Or not LOL.
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And you wonder why you get insulted! ::)
Maybe, just maybe the two sentences that were provided in the article may have been out of context?? Is it possible?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framing_effect_(psychology)
Some more helpful information for you. May help with your suppression of cognitive bias while reading various news items. Or not LOL.
Seems to be a phenomena with the feedlot boys, that whenever the information doesn't agree with what the feedlot industry is feeding you, you claim it's out of context, or there was an error in the information, or Morton had something to do with it.....
No problem.... I guess it's difficult to accept the harsh reality of the feedlot industry.
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time for your meds af ;D
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time for your meds af ;D
Thanks for the reminder Doc..... ;D
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......it's out of context...........there was an error in the information...........
Why is it that every time that happens, it's your statements that are being referred to?
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I think I'm starting to understand Dr Marty's position a little more......
Which one of you feedlot boys do I need to get permission from before I publish a post?
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I think I'm starting to understand Dr Marty's position a little more......
Which one of you feedlot boys do I need to get permission from before I publish a post?
Why are you unable to answer a direct question?
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http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=34785 (http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=34785)
Another example of Dr Marty apparently not getting permission from the feedlot industry....
"Garver goes on to say:
“It’s actually quite interesting. The virus has really evolved to put out a lot of particles so that it can subsequently have a lot of particles out there to re-infect.” Megin River is an ecological reserve selected to preserve natural species. I wish this river luck as it pours it’s young salmon into a soup of viruses shed by Atlantic salmon. The river contains “Significant spawning runs of sockeye, chinook, coho, pink and chum – the chinook are listed as threatened and the coho and sockeye are listed as endangered.
”So IHN is known to be deadly to young salmon and Megin salmon are “endangered,” but wielding his position of authority, Dr. Gary Marty, fish farm vet for the Province jumps up to assure us: “the likelihood that this has any impact on wild salmon is very, very low.”
What Gary Marty does not tell us is that DFO reported back in 1991 that Atlantic salmon infected with IHN release more virus into the water than wild salmon. Download IHN Aquaculture Update 1991.pdf (390.6K) DFO also found out the virus can be active for 3 weeks in seawater, that means the billion of viral particles being released right now will continue to be able to infect wild salmon for 3 weeks. Download IHN AQUACULTURE 1992.pdf (681.4K)"
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"Garver goes on to say only this:
“It’s actually quite interesting. The virus has really evolved to put out a lot of particles so that it can subsequently have a lot of particles out there to re-infect.”
And the rest is all Alexandra Morton, a fact you didn't bother to mention.
Why do you always leave out important information?
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And the rest is all Alexandra Morton, a fact you didn't bother to mention.
Why do you always leave out important information?
I didn't leave a word out..... the link is at the top of my post.
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I didn't leave a word out..... the link is at the top of my post.
When you quoted the statement, why didn't you say it was a statement by Morton?
Since you've decided to answer questions, why don't you tell us why every time there is mention of out of context or incorrect information, it's always in association with things you post?
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When you quoted the statement, why didn't you say it was a statement by Morton?
Since you've decided to answer questions, why don't you tell us why every time there is mention of out of context or incorrect information, it's always in association with things you post?
Feel free to bring your feedlot perspective to any thread you like.... I prefer to providing objective comments on whatever I post.
Please note that the disclosure in my signature line should be a sufficient explanations for your pointless questioning.
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Feel free to bring your feedlot perspective to any thread you like.... I prefer to providing objective comments on whatever I post.
Please note that the disclosure in my signature line should be a sufficient explanations for your pointless questioning.
Your signature is cute, but unnecessary since it is one of those facts that have become self-evident. As well, just because you can spell objective doesn't mean you understand what it means.
Enough social banter; back to the point. Why won't you answer the question?
Why is it that every time there is mention of out of context or incorrect information, it's always in association with things you post?
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Why is it that every time there is mention of out of context or incorrect information, it's always in association with things you post?
Because he's generally incorrect lol.
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Because he's generally incorrect lol.
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lol