Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: dave c on October 08, 2012, 12:54:34 PM
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Hi Guys; I've been fishing the Vedder the last couple weeks, with good success on Chums, and Jack Springs using a Orange#10 Corkie with Orange and Hot Pink yarn, but no Coho. Are there certain colors Coho prefer? Thanks in advance
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use fresh roe, not a fraser river flossing setup.
and only small bits first light. as soon as the afternoon hits most fish are tight lipped.
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18" leader, and 6" to 24" from float to swivel as well
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Try fishing the whole run as well. The head, the middle and the tail out. Keep scouting around and you'll find what works for you.
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I've been using an 18" leader on flourocarbon 8lb test. I DON'T floss and resent the allegation. I also use roe but have found when everyone around me is using roe, its effective to offer something else. The corkies work well but was just wondering if there was a colour combination that coho were more apt to strike. I know when throwing spoons or spinners they seem to prefer green or blue but wasn't sure if this colour combo would be effective for Corkies / Yarn as well. >:(
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Dave
Guys get excited about things they are passionate about. Don't forget what assume does. Never done the corkie things myself. My go to stuff is roe, blades, and pink wool.
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Tks Electroman.... I've been fishing for over 40yrs. but recently just moved to Mission. First year fishing the Vedder. I like to think of myself as a true sportsman and follow all the proper ediquette on the river. It just burns me when I ask a valid question, and just because my approach differs someone elses they penn me as a flosser. I've also used a single Jensen Egg with wool, but liked the look of the Corkie. I wasn't aware that using them was frowned upon.
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It's not frowned upon... Guys just jump the gun..
In the sockeye flossing fishery it is quite common to peg a corkie on the end of your long leader to keep it up off the bottom better.
Lots of guys use corkies, more so during steelhead season.
I myself can't offer any info on corkies for coho however I would think a small egg colored corkie with a bit of wool could work.
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Neither did i Dave. Some guys figure everyone is flossing and snagging
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Tks Noahs Arc. Its interesting you mentioned guys use them for steelheading, as that is my intention as well. I prefer to use artificial offerings (more of a challenge). I like the fact that you can retrieve after your drift quicker, thus having your offering in the water longer.......no need to put more bait on. Thanks for your encouragement. ;)
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I like the Fact that in most cases Bait out fishes anything else, and in the end results in more fish. Which is what everyone is after... Sure go ahead and throw a corky on and keep your hands dry.
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A couple seasons ago I was using a corkie with a bit of wool. I also caught springs, but no coho with that setup.
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I like the Fact that in most cases Bait out fishes anything else, and in the end results in more fish. Which is what everyone is after... Sure go ahead and throw a corky on and keep your hands dry.
And while u r rebaiting I get in two more drifts!!!!!!!!!!! Worms for trout fishing too!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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For me I find that tiny wool ties, corkies, single eggs, Jensens or any similar small presentations are only consistently successful for Coho fished deep and dead drift in faster water, especially in tailouts with rising water and lots of moving fish. They come in fresh to the pool rest in depressions or behind rocks and often seem to peck at small brightly coloured presentations as they go speeding past. I would go smallest size, hot pink, size 4 hook, short 12-14'' leader but set your float deep so the weights ticking bottom frequently and do not hold back the drift at all. An older guy turned me on to this last year and in the right conditions its very effective and a legit way to fish. I would not bother with corkies for Coho right now, they get way to much of a look at it in these conditions and blades or roe would be your best bet. Not a very popular opinion on here I'm sure but you can slay almost as many chum short floating a tuft of wool or corky than a 3 dollar jig and that learning how and when to fish all the different artificial under a number of different conditions is more interesting than mindlessly short floating bait and will make you a better rod IMO.
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For me I find that tiny wool ties, corkies, single eggs, Jensens or any similar small presentations are only consistently successful for Coho fished deep and dead drift in faster water, especially in tailouts with rising water and lots of moving fish. They come in fresh to the pool rest in depressions or behind rocks and often seem to peck at small brightly coloured presentations as they go speeding past. I would go smallest size, hot pink, size 4 hook, short 12-14'' leader but set your float deep so the weights ticking bottom frequently and do not hold back the drift at all. An older guy turned me on to this last year and in the right conditions its very effective and a legit way to fish. I would not bother with corkies for Coho right now, they get way to much of a look at it in these conditions and blades or roe would be your best bet. Not a very popular opinion on here I'm sure but you can slay almost as many chum short floating a tuft of wool or corky than a 3 dollar jig and that learning how and when to fish all the different artificial under a number of different conditions is more interesting than mindlessly short floating bait and will make you a better rod IMO.
Finally an answer with the advise I was looking for. TKS
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I started using corkies last year and have had success. fishing the vedder last year for steelhead, i put on a small lime green corky with a roe bag and landed a 10lb wild steelhead and 2 wild coho and this was in january. i only throw corkies on when the visibility is less than 3 feet.
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Tks Electroman.... I've been fishing for over 40yrs. but recently just moved to Mission. First year fishing the Vedder. I like to think of myself as a true sportsman and follow all the proper ediquette on the river. It just burns me when I ask a valid question, and just because my approach differs someone elses they penn me as a flosser. I've also used a single Jensen Egg with wool, but liked the look of the Corkie. I wasn't aware that using them was frowned upon.
Too bad people just assume that if you're using corkies you are flossing.
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Tks Electroman.... I've been fishing for over 40yrs. but recently just moved to Mission. First year fishing the Vedder. I like to think of myself as a true sportsman and follow all the proper ediquette on the river. It just burns me when I ask a valid question, and just because my approach differs someone elses they penn me as a flosser. I've also used a single Jensen Egg with wool, but liked the look of the Corkie. I wasn't aware that using them was frowned upon.
Where were you from originally if you don't mind me asking?
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Like everyone has said they are best fished in higher water. I like them above roe too when the water is higher and dirtier. Add a corkie and your presentation is bigger and brighter. I have caught fish on just a plain corkie but those were steelhead and trout. I beg to differ on the wool vs jigs however, I have never been out fished by someone using wool when using jigs for chum. Not to say wool can't be effective but in my experience jigs can be deadly in all conditions. I love jigs for the lack of mess factor and they work for all salmoniod species. Sorry to get a bit off topic with that last bit of my post.
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A corkie is usually used to float the line from hitting the bottom from any experience i have in bottom bouncing. had to dress it with woll. if you want to use a corkie, which is just a strike indicator for fly fishing basically, why don't you just use any jensen egg of any colour with a touch of any colour of wool. after all jensen eggs are translucent and mimic an egg far more than a brightly painted Styrofoam floating ball.
i can understand a small corkie to help roe from snagging the bottom or dragging and losing it on rocks, but on its own? i just dont understand the logic in it.
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I didn't say wool would out fish jigs, just making the point that there are lots of different ways to catch fish outside of the FWR consensus of short floating roe and blades or jigs or you are a snagger. Coho hits lots of lures that don't really look exactly like something, how is a corky any different from a spoon? What does a jig look like? Who knows why they hit what they hit? Part of the fun is figuring it out and speculating. Is it always about catching the most amount of fish in the shortest amount of time? How many chum do you really need to hook before your arms drops off, if can you hook one every cast with a jig its not exactly challenging is it? Why not try something different, maybe you'll learn something.
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A corkie is usually used to float the line from hitting the bottom from any experience i have in bottom bouncing. had to dress it with woll. if you want to use a corkie, which is just a strike indicator for fly fishing basically, why don't you just use any jensen egg of any colour with a touch of any colour of wool. after all jensen eggs are translucent and mimic an egg far more than a brightly painted Styrofoam floating ball.
i can understand a small corkie to help roe from snagging the bottom or dragging and losing it on rocks, but on its own? i just dont understand the logic in it.
The logic is the fact that salmon are a lot more curious and territorial than they are hungry ::) They are not biting an egg imitation because they actually think that it is a real salmon egg! the thing is a licorice smelling, sweet tasting, rubber ball the size of an egg.
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18" leader, and 6" to 24" from float to swivel as well
This is a ridiculous statement! You are going to tell the guy approximately how deep to fish the entire Chilliwack/Vedder river?
Dave C. Dont worry about appearing to be a "super ethical" short floater! Just read the water and fish off bottom like you normally would. Short floating is simply fishing the appropriate depth for the water you are fishing.
Good luck with the corkies, I have caught a couple hoes on them. However in these conditions it is hard to get bit even on roe!
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This is a ridiculous statement! You are going to tell the guy approximately how deep to fish the entire Chilliwack/Vedder river?
You beat me to it. I was like...WTF!? Then I just had a good laugh and went on. :D
As for corkies, they sure can be deadly in deeper water when fished properly. Peach, orange, off-white (glo) are some of my favs.
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Ok, yes, WTF am I thinking indeed. I was only able to get many coho to bite this weekend, and completely avoid chum and springs....but yes, wtf am I talking about?
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This is how corkie can only be used. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8iz3u5_djU
All kidding aside, there's no doubt that float fishing with roe at the correct depth can be very effective, but that does not mean there are no other legit, effective ways of catching salmon in rivers. People should not dismiss other ideas or questions on other techniques by making the assumption flossing is intended. Salmon can be caught by casting lures, fly fishing at the correct depth and type of water, float fishing with artificials, even without a float in really deep water. The only behaviour that people should discourage is the intent to floss or snag fish. If someone is asking about the use of a particular method for triggering bites, show them the respect by answering the question. If you've never tried the method in question before, it's best not to immediately suggest that it is snagging.
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This is a ridiculous statement! You are going to tell the guy approximately how deep to fish the entire Chilliwack/Vedder river?
Dave C. Dont worry about appearing to be a "super ethical" short floater! Just read the water and fish off bottom like you normally would. Short floating is simply fishing the appropriate depth for the water you are fishing.
Good luck with the corkies, I have caught a couple hoes on them. However in these conditions it is hard to get bit even on roe!
Yes have only hooked two adults on roe, both lost but the jacks have been biting very well on roe especially near dark and on the rising tide. Should just try a corkie and see if the bites continue. :D
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Yes have only hooked two adults on roe, both lost but the jacks have been biting very well on roe especially near dark and on the rising tide. Should just try a corkie and see if the bites continue. :D
When the fish are on, the bite will happen regardless of whether you are using roe or artificial eggs, corkies or wool.
Please stop dismissing other presentations and pushing roe.
While roe, by nature, IS the most efficient bait for migrating salmon (especially coho), it is not the be all-end all of salmon fishing.
Here is a challenge for all of you goo chuckers: Try to catch a fish shortfloating wool or plastics and get back to us to report your success.
Stop feeding the fish and start fooling the fish into biting! :D
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Chris, do you even fish with anything other than roe?
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Chris, do you even fish with anything other than roe?
Seldom as I have trouble catching coho salmon as it is in the Vedder River using bait these days. ???
Not sure why it is now as in "The Old Days" before you were born I think, ;D we had no trouble catching them. Maybe it is partly due to he fact there is so many people out there thrashing the water the fish are so spooked they shy away from most offerings, even bait, especially in the clear water conditions we are experiencing.
I know The Master is even having some trouble getting them. ???
I know we should not be saying those that do not use bait or lures are flossing fish but many will agree there is a high percentage that are and some do not even know that they are. :o
Anyway have not fished for 2 days so going out there armed with my best roe hoping for my first adult coho salmon of the year. When I do you will hear about it. ;D ;D
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Anyway have not fished for 2 days so going out there armed with my best roe hoping for my first adult coho salmon of the year. When I do you will hear about it. ;D ;D
May I suggest you try a single plastic jensen egg (small)? Sometimes when short-floating roe doesn't work, a single egg imitation can save the day.
It worked for me yesterday, when I caught and bonked my first adult hatchery coho of the season - a picture perfect 8-pound chrome bar that also gave me some nice roe...for caviar. ;D
For the record: I was using a 30" leader and a n. 4 hook, which ended firmly embedded in the tip of the upper lip. It did take several hours of hard float drifting to get there tho.
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Many years ago,I'm thinking mid-80's ,the go-to for the Chehalis bible camp run was a peach corky with a small tuft of peach wool. We would use the ones that were glow-in-the-dark type. For early early morning before it got too light we would use a camera flash to charge them up and then short-float them right down the middle in the faster water. It was amazing how well they worked for coho and the odd steelhead.The main problem was that the chum liked them as well. Brings back some terrific memories of getting to the river at 4am with a firelog to mark your spot as the weekends were really busy. In those days you could actually drive right out onto the bar. The river used to stink badly with the smell of rotting chums. All chums were catch and release only in those days
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...a peach corky with a small tuft of peach wool...
Awesome presentation for coho and steelhead in gin clear water conditions. I love it and use it all the time. :)
I don't bother much with the glo ones anymore as I have given up on losing my beauty sleep to a pre-dawn race to a fishing spot.
I now fish gentleman's hours only. ;D
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I was fishing the canal the other day with roe and I did not see my float go down even once. That was few hundreds of chums around too.
The guy beside me had corkie on and he was smacking them almost every casts.
Corkie works really well during steelhead fishing but I have not use that setup for many years.
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I didn't say wool would out fish jigs, just making the point that there are lots of different ways to catch fish outside of the FWR consensus of short floating roe and blades or jigs or you are a snagger. Coho hits lots of lures that don't really look exactly like something, how is a corky any different from a spoon? What does a jig look like? Who knows why they hit what they hit? Part of the fun is figuring it out and speculating. Is it always about catching the most amount of fish in the shortest amount of time? How many chum do you really need to hook before your arms drops off, if can you hook one every cast with a jig its not exactly challenging is it? Why not try something different, maybe you'll learn something.
Chum was just an example, I use them for all fish species. I have tried many different baits and like experimenting with different things but thats not what I was getting at. All I was refering to was wool in my experience does not outfish jigs, thats all. I use wool on occasion for picky fish and it does work, also if you add a corkie, I agree on that point.
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Sorry Steely didn't mean to sound like I was having a go at you, just can't understand why some people are unwilling to try other methods but quick to jump on someone asking about them. Under all conditions for all species I would take Corkies over Jigs personally.
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Anyway have not fished for 2 days so going out there armed with my best roe hoping for my first adult coho salmon of the year. When I do you will hear about it. ;D ;D
Chris, you gotta try spoons ;D
Went out for my first 2 trips of the year on the Vedder and was into 8 coho. Roe only yielded a few bites for me and I eventually gave up and went back to spoons/spinners.
As for the corkies, I have used em for steelhead, and they can be deadly. The peach/orange combo ones have always been my fav.
Spin and glo's now those are deadly ;) It's actually weird I've never tried them for coho. Kind of like an egg imitation and a spinner mixed. They are deadly for steelhead though, especially in pink... Might have to give them a try this week...
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May I suggest you try a single plastic jensen egg (small)? Sometimes when short-floating roe doesn't work, a single egg imitation can save the day.
It worked for me yesterday, when I caught and bonked my first adult hatchery coho of the season - a picture perfect 8-pound chrome bar that also gave me some nice roe...for caviar. ;D
For the record: I was using a 30" leader and a n. 4 hook, which ended firmly embedded in the tip of the upper lip. It did take several hours of hard float drifting to get there tho.
Interesting: Fished the Vedder yesterday. Started off with Corkies wool, not much action, then to roe.....a couple of chums....saw guys nailing springs and coho with a couple of Jensen eggs....decided to try some....Best day on the river yet.....3 springs....2 wild coho....many chum. The spring I kept was loaded with roe. Just goes to show that like women fish can be fickle and change their minds on what they want in the blink of an eye. Thanks again for all the support out there guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is how corkie can only be used. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8iz3u5_djU
That guys looks like Chumlee from Pawn Stars. Flossing for salmon and looks like Chumlee, looks like life sued him and he lost.
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Chris, you gotta try spoons ;D
Went out for my first 2 trips of the year on the Vedder and was into 8 coho. Roe only yielded a few bites for me and I eventually gave up and went back to spoons/spinners.
As for the corkies, I have used em for steelhead, and they can be deadly. The peach/orange combo ones have always been my fav.
Spin and glo's now those are deadly ;) It's actually weird I've never tried them for coho. Kind of like an egg imitation and a spinner mixed. They are deadly for steelhead though, especially in pink... Might have to give them a try this week...
I like seeing the Maple Leaf Drennan going down and the challenge of hooking them. ;D