Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fly Fishing Cafe => Topic started by: BananasQ on April 08, 2015, 09:13:08 PM
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Hi, I'm very new to fly fishing - I've got a 9 foot 5wt set up. My question is, do you think I will be able to use this for beach / rock fishing for Pinks in Howe Sound this summer? I'd rather not have to buy a 6wt or 8wt - but I don't want to trash my 5wt. Thanks!
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I used a 5wt Sage fly rod for many years off the beach at Furry creek for pink salmon. Make sure to practice your casting and get yourself to where you can comfortably cast the entire fly line because this could mean the difference between fish or nothing on some days. You may also find the wind blows directly at you making it even harder to get the line way out there.
Clear sink tip is also something you'll want to have and learn to cast with for the beaches. It only takes your fly down a couple inches but the fish see it better under the water rather than skimming in the surface film.
When tying or buying flies remember small, sparse, and shiny. Pink, chartreuse are usually best
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Thanks - I'll probably splash on another spool with sink tip as I currently only have floating line. Any particular recommendations on the value side? I have young kids and cant get out that often, so I am okay buying something that isn't "the best of the best" right now. I'll be likely going to Sea Run to get my stuff.
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I have a Sage 3300D fly reel and spool that would be a good pickup for you to use. Its a Disc drag system in platinum with backing on both reel and spool Rod 604-798-3040
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BananasQ, I would highly recommend just staying with the floating line and not spending more money. I beach fish a lot on Van Island, and sink tips are just a pain in the my friend. I've never found they make a difference, ever. If anything, the prevent catching fish due to having your fly to low and dragging on the bottom (that being said if you're fishing deeper water - unlike a tapered beach, a sink tip may help).
Tie up some bead head California Neil's in Chartreuse, and some in pink. Also tie some pink handlebar's and other shrimp patterns. I've also had good luck on smaller flash flies and needlefish patterns as well. Generally, all you'll need is those chartreuse California Neil's.
If you really want to get down, tie some flies with dumbell heads on them. Floating line gives you more diversity - can use poppers, somewhat heavy flies to get you mid water (bead heads), or dumbell flies to get you down deep. Some days retrieval speed matters as well more than anything. Those days, we're talking a dead slow figure 8 retrieval or the slowest strip you can muster works - again, a sink tip will only end down in the rocks chewing your line. The only time a clear sink is good is on a fast 2-3 inch strip, which is what the pinks want 90% of the time, but that other 10% you're not going to get a thing.
And back to your original question, yes a 5 wt is more than enough for pinks. Good luck!
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Furry creek pinks like to stay near the surface.Everyone loves those times when the BIG school comes porpoising and everyone hooking up....
I usually just use weighted flies no need for a sink tip.
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#3 for floating line with bead chain or dumbells for weight. If you need a slow sink tip get a clear poly-leader for around $15. They just loop on to the front of your floating line. Most of the beach at Furry is fairly shallow - except at low tide on the south side. Even then you can hang your fly in the barnacles if you're not careful. Two flies have worked for me - a take off on the Pink Eve - just a silver body with a wing of some sort of pink artificial hair or fibre. The 2nd is the Pink Puke. #10 short shank hook, small bead chain eyes, hot pink plastic chenille body and hot pink or cerise marabou tail.
One thing to consider is that the seals off Furry Creek have gotten use to stealing salmon off fishing lines so try to get your fish in as quickly as possible. The first time a seal takes your fish you'll think you've hooked a world record spring. Anytime after that you'll just be pissed!
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This is great - thanks for the help everyone! Now I just need a time machine to get me 3 months in the future so I can actually get out there and give this all a try! :)
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Pinky season will come in no time. Lots of good advise here.
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Personally, I would go no lower than a 6 wt. But to each his own.
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Personally, I would go no lower than a 6 wt. But to each his own.
X2, especially if you're just a C&R angler, get the fish in quick and then a quick release. No sense playing a fish to exhaustion and then releasing.
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X2, especially if you're just a C&R angler, get the fish in quick and then a quick release. No sense playing a fish to exhaustion and then releasing.
Thanks - this is all good advice. However in this we are looking to retain only - I wont keep hitting pinks once I limit. If this is a successful summer, I get the "bug" for fly fishing, then I think I will end up investing in more and more items like a heavier set. Until then I think I can make do with my 5wt and see where it takes me. :D
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So your telling me landing them in a couple minutes is too much ?
I put the nuts to them and get them in.......even on a 5wt without any issue. I have been using a switch rod the last 3 cycles though.
Pinks aren't known for long battles and can be landed easily in 5 minutes or less. If you were river fishing them then I'd suggest stepping up to a 6-8wt rod but for beaches a 5wt is fine because they can't use any current to their advantage dragging out the battle time and possibly rendering them too exhausted to be revived
If you feel under gunned with your 5wt then look into a heavier rod or use a spinning rod until you can afford something. If you plan to fly fish for coho, chum, springs or steelhead then I would start saving for a 7-8wt rod now so you can buy it by fall
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They average 3 to 5lbs. Some of the males will be bigger. Nobody would bat an eye if you told them you were catching 3 or 4lb trout in the interior on a 5wt. Hard to say without knowing the specific rod but you should be ok with a 5. I use an #8 single hand - an old Sage Sp - very light action for the weight. I've used beefer #6 rods both in the river and on the beach. They all work fine.
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my 2 cents.
I have fished pinks with a cheap but decent 5 wt set up; a dragonfly 2 with reel combo that comes with two spools, typically found around 110-120 bucks. It's a good value and while slightly noodly with a good quality line, it will cast almost the whole spool, based on your ability to single or double haul.
You will find the rod a little under gunned for the bigger humppies (males that can push 6-8 lbs) but for the average fish it will be a good fight. However it will also be a decent general purpose rod for trout in stocked lakes, interior choronimide still water fishing and cutties. Then you can get yourself a decent 8 wt single for steel, sockeye, coho and chum or go for a double hand once you become addicted..... Also note, the 5 wt single might be a bit of a struggle if you only intend to fish tidal because of winds. A bigger rod with heavier shooting line will help with the decent cast. As mentioned before, distance can make all the difference. You will need to cast where you see surface activity. At Fury I have seen folks in waders over the top, up to their pits because they needed that extra 20 feet.
Sparse silver pink and chartreuse bead headed flies are the ticket, easy and cheep to tie yourself. Even a piece of pink wool in an egg loop will work in the rivers, where casting distance to the fish is not such an issue.
It may be different in the sea, but in the rivers, such as the Squamish where there is a little colour don't bother dicking around with tapper leaders. just stick with 8-12lbs mono no more than 3 feet, they are not leader shy. If you are worried about your rod just straighten it up by pointing at the fish and let it break you off.
If you want to try an easy river location with lots of casting room, try the Mamquam Bar, in the Mamquam/Squamish confluence. I'll probably see you there in
just over 4 months! Whoop!
Good luck.
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5 weigh is totally fine if thats what you already have. As others have said, pinks are not very big, but they are REALLY fun to catch on a fly rod.
Hook makes a very important point - CASTING! Best advice is to practice getting long casts out there. The best rod in the world is no substitute if you can get more than 30 feet of line out. You need to be casting at least 60 feet (pref more), esp off the beach.
Good luck!
Pink flies are super simple - go sparse and minimalist, they cast easier.
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While I don't want to discount casting skills if you can't manage that kind of distance don't be discouraged into not going! Pinks will often come very close to the beach particularly early in the morning, on certain sections of the beach and at certain tides. You can watch for surface signs of fish - rises or fins then cover what you can reach. If you have trouble reaching fish at Furry - wait until into August and fish the Squamish where you can catch fish with little more than 10 feet of fly line off the tip of your rod.
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Yes, I think Squamish looks perfect. My eldest will be eight and she has decided this is the year she catches her first salmon and I just found her bargain neoprene waders off of Craigslist. So if you see a father and daughter up there, him "getting to grips" with fly fishing and the young girl with a pink rod who is probably out-fishing her old man, come over and say hi - we're Barney and Esmé respectively. :)
Thanks again for all the pointers. Roll on summer! 8)
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Perfect place to get her into fishing pinks. They don't travel out very far either maybe 60 feet max from shore but usually within 20-30 feet. Set her up with a small float setup and then just use pink or chartreuse wool. This is how I set up my boys and they out fish me and keep me busy helping them land fish more than fishing myself, great times :D
If you want to get fancy then tie a bit of silver mylar on the hooks she'll be using but leave a bit of gap by the hook eye for tying in the mono for the wool OR tie it all on like a fly. A lot of the time a bit of flash can make a big difference on pinks.
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When do pinks start to show up a Fury?
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When do pinks start to show up a Fury?
The first one i got last pink year was July 17th.I fished from the beginning of July and a massive school showed up that day.
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I would also agree that mid July is when the larger schools show up more frequently. I've gotten them at the beginning of July but it's usually a matter of being lucky there is a school around or you happen to entice bites from the few swimming around. Being able to cast far always helps with finding the early fish however OR having a boat to sit out there further and locate them.
Don't only go to Furry creek. There is several good beaches along the See to Sky for pinks. Try exploring and you may find yourself in a way less crowded area with just as good or better fishing. I don't fish Furry anymore because it's getting ridiculous out there with people
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Be sure to check for shoreline closures here: http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/tidal-maree/a-s28-eng.html#allspecies
The in shore areas around Porteau Cove and Britannia Beach are closed.
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Be sure to check for shoreline closures here: http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/tidal-maree/a-s28-eng.html#allspecies
The in shore areas around Porteau Cove and Britannia Beach are closed.
Thanks RalphH - was looking at those as my cousin lives at Britannia Beach and she was hoping to join me for a trip there. However, I totally get it being closed and if you look at how polluted that creek used to be (most polluted in Canada, if not N America) then the regeneration that is being seen there is fantastic. Interestingly the closure for Britannia Beach is only until August 15th - what do you think the odds are that the pinks will still be around after that date?
And I seriously just need it to be summer already.... :D
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there should be Pinks around at least until late in the month
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there should be Pinks around at least until late in the month
I find by the middle of August a lot of them are getting coloured and very coloured. I switch to the Fraser areas by mid August
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I guess so. Run timing can vary by several days from cycle to cycle and if anything number start to drop off rapidly in the last half of August but I have been able to find clean & even chrome pinks to the end of August in the Sound and even the first few days of September in the river.
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Perfect place to get her into fishing pinks. They don't travel out very far either maybe 60 feet max from shore but usually within 20-30 feet. Set her up with a small float setup and then just use pink or chartreuse wool. This is how I set up my boys and they out fish me and keep me busy helping them land fish more than fishing myself, great times :D
Thanks HOOK; I've got myself a 7ft baitcaster set up and was thinking of using that for exactly this purpose with maybe some jigs. That should do the business shouldn't it?
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Yes it would work perfectly. Short float your jigs in pinks, chartreuse andpurples with a little bit of sparkle and you'll find yourself saying Fish On a lot ;D
Those are my top colour palettes I start with. Hardly ever need more than chartreuse or pink. Sometimes pink with some purple is the key though
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Yes it would work perfectly. Short float your jigs in pinks, chartreuse andpurples with a little bit of sparkle and you'll find yourself saying Fish On a lot ;D
Those are my top colour palettes I start with. Hardly ever need more than chartreuse or pink. Sometimes pink with some purple is the key though
Thanks! I'll let her pick the colours for her jigs (with some guidance). I feel confident in predicting most of them will have some pink in them. :D
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Thanks! I'll let her pick the colours for her jigs (with some guidance). I feel confident in predicting most of them will have some pink in them. :D
If the jigs aren't working because sometimes its the extremely sparse stuff that works best then just go to a plain size 4 hook with a little tuft of wool in the same colours.
I predict with this years early freshet the water clarity will be better than usual for August. Last time it happened we were using tiny very very sparse flies and having a riot
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If the jigs aren't working because sometimes its the extremely sparse stuff that works best then just go to a plain size 4 hook with a little tuft of wool in the same colours.
I predict with this years early freshet the water clarity will be better than usual for August. Last time it happened we were using tiny very very sparse flies and having a riot
I would also suggest to use Dick Nite spoons under float. Last pink run I had fish on almost every cast using them.
My favorite - frog size 2, my friend's half/half size 2.
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I remember one September the Fraser was so mucky you`d think the fish couldn`t see a thing. Flies didn`t work so I tied a pink and pearl wee Dick Nite on and hung it downstream in a shallow riffle the pinks were moving through and took 4 fish in less than an hour.
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surfing some local websites I found this good blog posting from Sea-Run Tackle that includes some good info on locations and timing:
http://www.sea-run.com/pinksalmon/
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Swing a Dick Nite on the end of your fly line and get ready for a big bend in your 5 wt ! I've caught Cohos using it @ Judd road.
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Is it time yet??! :D
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Yep.
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For Pinks all you need is a sparsely tied pink fly and you will get lots of hits, if the bites goes off just try a different color--green or orange
seems to work well for me 8)