Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Simon2 on October 22, 2004, 02:03:17 PM
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What's the best way to attach the wool to the hook? Tie it? glue? Some other way? Also, how big should the wool be? I guess about the size of the end of the forefinger? Thank you.
Are there any good sites showing how to tie the wool?
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Egg loop
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http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/resourcecenter/bumperknot.htm
see the video
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Eqq loop with wool the size of your fingernail. (Not thumb nail....too big.)
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Most of the time I use a #4 hook and tie my wool on with an egg loop. The amount of wool will vary according to water condition. In really clear water/bright sunny day I normally start with the wool the size of the nail on my little finger and scale down to sometimes half that size. For water that is murkier, I usually go slightly bigger than that. My general rule is that I usually use a piece of wool that has been trimmed so it does not extend below the curve of the hook and then I start trimming down from there. I also will usually trim the wool after a few casts so that it doesn't have a whole lot of stray strands
sticking out from it too and keeps it neat and clean. One other thing, I tend to not use the whole piece of wool that I cut off. I usally split it in two for a more delicate presentation. Keep in mind that more or less wool on your hook will slightly change the way your hook drifts because of the extra/less drag caused by the amount of wool on your hook. Having said all that, I remember one time I was fishing a deep ultra clear pool of water in bright sunlight around mid day and the coho were hammering obscene gobs of large red wool as it drifted past but not the small delicate presentations. Go figure.
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Nice post, Merc; I learned a lot.
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What is this knot:
1. feed leader through octopus eye from top
2. doube back leader along shank up to eye, but not through.
3. make turns (approx 6) around shank, and two strands of leader until small loop (formed by doubling back in #2)
4. feed end through loop left in 3.
5. tighten by pulling standing leader, and end, while keeping fingers on turns.
This creates a loop, through which I can place my bait quite easily. Anyone know the name of this knot?
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Think it's called the Snell Knot
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From what I can see (web illustrations), that's not the knot :(
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DS, is this it ?
http://www.best-fishing.com/Fishing_Knots/blood_knot_snell.htm
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Nope - right after doubling back with the leader, you start wrapping down to the curve, and BOTH parts - the descending, AND the return get caught by your wrap. In that one, only the descending get's caught by the wrap.
Make sense?
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I'm not sure but is that not like a steelheaders bait loop, wool in lower loop and eggs in top loop?
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The best way I can describe it is as a "modified" hangman's knot. I've modded a picture of the hangman's knot to show how I tie this loop.
(http://www.blogontheweb.com//images/blogontheweb_com/dragonspeed/1846/o_hangmans_noose.gif)
then slide up the knot after you've got your wool/roe sack in.
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I'm getting cross eyed looking at your illustration. ;D Suggest you learn the egg loop
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DS, that's the knot I use for leaders, I had problems with it breaking when using some of the heavier lines (50 lb test for halibut). But I have landed my largest salmon to date (42 lbs) on a cut-plug rig tied this way, I used it because I did not know the other way of tying it, but will use it now that I know how to tie it properly. Here's another link that may make tying it a lttle easier:
http://www.berrysbait.com/001.htm (go into the site, then go into "instruction", then "knots", then "steelheader egg loop")
It is indeed called a snell knot, this is due to the fact that some course fishermen use hooks withought eyes, and have to secure their line to a "spade end" hook, or a snell hook. This is a method I have seen used for attaching these hooks. I have been using it rather successfully in the past as a bait-loop, and for rigging tandem hooks in a rig (anchovies, herring, etc.).
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All the snell knot examples I see on the 'Net look like this:
(http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/fishingknots/images/snelling.jpg)
Note that the standing end of the line somehow comes back and does the looping. I can tie my know when my leader is attached to the swivel already. All these other knots appear to require a TWO free ends.
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DS, Without seeing your knot, I think you're using a modified snell. You pass the leader through the eye and double back over the shank and wrap 5-6 times. Then you pass the leader through the eye again and wrap the loop you just created over the leader section another 5-6 times. and pull tight. you just created an egg loop. It's hard to explain in words and easy to show.
At picture "C", you should have a bigger loop. Hold the leader portion flat against the hook shank and wrap 5-6 times over the leader & pull tight.
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I use an egg-loop to hold my wool. In sunny clear and low water conditions, smaller pieces and in white water or cloudy, high water conditions about 1.5" length wool folded over in half in the loop.
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Found the knot for ya!
http://www.fishsponge.com/Tips%20-%20terminal%20tackle.htm
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No, the knot that I tie looks like this:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=5336.msg49968#msg49968
Everyone is linking to pictures of a modified snell, or steelheaders bait loop. Not the same. :(
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I've just found a moment to refer to my "Ashley book of knots". Similar knots are:
1. Manger knot page 44.
2. Izaak walton page 52 & 53.
3. Hangman's page 59.
4. Monkey's Fist page 354.
All are modified versions of a whip.
Ashley's is a great book if you like knots.
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DS, just stick with the egg loop. You won't regret it, trust me !
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The thing is - this is what I've learned. I can tie it in about 10 secs (if my hands are cold). Another knot would require added learning.
Grumman - thanks for the references. My buddy has Ashley, but I don't have access to it :(
I'll have him bring it in to work.
Cheers!
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If it work's do it! :) I prefer the bait loop because it's what I learned.
You'll like the Ashley book if you can get it. Over 3900 knots on 593 pages. I love it for around the house and camping. You can tie lots of cool looking knots that get people talking.
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If it work's do it! :) I prefer the bait loop because it's what I learned.
You'll like the Ashley book if you can get it. Over 3900 knots on 593 pages. I love it for around the house and camping. You can tie lots of cool looking knots that get people talking.
Have a look at the "Highwayman's Hitch". Cool Hitch
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I use it all the time for pulling long objects like logs. Keeps them stright. I love useing knots for sinching loads on my trailer. I always get people saying "you'll never get that mess undone" and one pull later the whole thing is undone. Lots of geeky fun ;D