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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: Kype on October 10, 2010, 01:45:08 PM
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Why o why is more not done to get rid of serial snaggers! >:(
Very easy now a days to collect video evidence and have them banned.
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Why o why is more not done to get rid of serial snaggers! >:(
Very easy now a days to collect video evidence and have them banned.
If DFO/MOE won't do anything, it's time to take it into our own hands....do what you think needs to be done.Just walking by the these goons doesn't do anything, call them out for who they are, all of them. If you think it's going to get physical....stand up for the fish. Some of you might think this is a bad idea.....it probably is.....ok I know it is, but enough is enough. Maybe I'll just take my big assed sturgeon rod with 100lb test line and nothing but a 14oz weight on the end, and cast over them everytime I can. Their not going to part my rig ;D I'll reel in and do some cutting, then wait for the next one and just repeat the process. I don't mind confrontation ;D
Ok my ranting is done for the day ;D
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Just stopped at Lickman, hundreds of people out, river mud but a lot of the Fraser crowd there I guess. A fish would never see a presentation, a sorry sight that would make old timers turn in their graves. What is angling turning into? I felt so bad seeing the disrespect for fish. >:( :( :o ??? ::) :-[ :'(
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Just stopped at Lickman, hundreds of people out, river mud but a lot of the Fraser crowd there I guess. A fish would never see a presentation, a sorry sight that would make old timers turn in their graves. What is angling turning into? I felt so bad seeing the disrespect for fish. >:( :( :o ??? ::) :-[ :'(
I was at Veddar Crossing (first time ever on the Veddar), and there were tons of people too, not too many people catching anything. I was wondering about that muddy water whether I was wasting my time floating my wool in that mud. On my way home to Vancouver, checked out the Stave and the water was clear. Some chums were around and being caught.
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Just stopped at Lickman, hundreds of people out, river mud but a lot of the Fraser crowd there I guess. A fish would never see a presentation, a sorry sight that would make old timers turn in their graves. What is angling turning into? I felt so bad seeing the disrespect for fish. >:( :( :o ??? ::) :-[ :'(
Its not just the snagging that bothers me, its the general aggressive attitudes that some have where they think they own the river and need to get fish at all costs even if it means throwing out all common sense and manners. They see you hooking a few nice fish and decide to plant themselves right beside you without saying a word. Even though you've been there since first light and they just walked in. When you tell them that they are too close, they say: "Too bad, we fish like this at Peg Leg".
IMHO its too easy to get a license to fish rivers. I think we need to separate the Freshwater licenses into Lakes and Streams. I favor increasing the price of a river license with the increase in revenue going towards more patrols. We don't need armed officers. We need some sort of community patrol that would help to keep things in check. If serious trouble occurs then you can call for more backup. This way we can implement some sort of core system with angling in rivers which could encompass safety, fish id, etiquette, etc.. Penalties should be harsh meaning you lose your gear if you fish without purchasing a license or if you break any of the laws. This would weed out many of the idiots with poor attitudes that are unwilling to change their ways.
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lets just sink a few logs in the popular flossing spots
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Its not just the snagging that bothers me, its the general aggressive attitudes that some have where they think they own the river and need to get fish at all costs even if it means throwing out all common sense and manners.
It's pretty crazy and starts even enroute to the river. Heading up Chilliwack Lake Rd yesterday, some cowboy was driving 100km/hr and passing other vehicles dangerously along the way. This all happening at 6:30am. Was he really missing out on much by arriving at his favorite spot 1 minute later? People really need to chill out this time of year.
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I am with Stratocaster here - raise the license fees and fund more enforcement officers.
No one wants to be priced off the rivers but at $36/year + say a Salmon stamp at $15 there is plenty of room to increase the prices. This might also seperate the real anglers from the Freezer Fillers!
Fishing around the world I struggle to think of many places you can fish so cheaply for what could be exceptional fishing.
Just another note but other countries regulate (particularly Salmon) by enforcing a minimum distance between anglers to ensure the fish get a fair chance to migrate up river without being mauled by anglers standing shoulder to shoulder - one of the most clear indication of people snagging!
Just thoughts - something surely needs doing and soon!
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Sad to hear of the lack of angling etiquette on the rivers these days. And that line about "this is how we fish at Peg Leg", is priceless. The floss fest nonsense for the sockeye fishery should stay on the Fraser and once it is over that is where it should stay. All these long line clowns should take a fishing trip to the North country. Big tip I would have is to learn how to swim before you go, because with rude and ignorant behaviour more than just a few of these weekend warrior fisherman would be given the heave ho into the rivers up there.
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Sad to hear of the lack of angling etiquette on the rivers these days. And that line about "this is how we fish at Peg Leg", is priceless. The floss fest nonsense for the sockeye fishery should stay on the Fraser and once it is over that is where it should stay. All these long line clowns should take a fishing trip to the North country. Big tip I would have is to learn how to swim before you go, because with rude and ignorant behaviour more than just a few of these weekend warrior fisherman would be given the heave ho into the rivers up there.
aYup!
I can't say I've thrown anyone into the flow.... but I have sunk a fly as deep as I could into some @$$holes leg after he low-holed me with his 15 foot leader BS on the Skeena.
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What can we do besides taking matters into our own hands? If anyone has any good ideas please post them
Halloween is coming, maybe dress up like a DFO/MOE and bust them. Might even get a decent rod or two out of the deal ;D ;D
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Hey now that's an idea! Then sell the rods on craigslist for money towards some real enforcement out there .... :P
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weefish i think its time to take matters into our own hands. i agree with calling for back up if needed . i feel that the only way to control this snaqgging issue and poor handling of fish is to have proper teaching meathods applied and if they refuse to cooperate then its time to call for backup and have them out numbered.
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i grew up on the skeena river,this type of behavior was few and far between,i sure hope that pricing the less frequent user out of the chance to enjoy our outdoors is not the solution,i feel for everyone that witness this behavior everyday but i am very leary of putting so much responsilbilty on enforcement officers,i would hope peer pressure would play a role somewhat in educating people ,AMEN, i moved to the chilliwack area so my family could enjoy what this region has to offer,makes me wonder if certain user groups won't be happy until only a handful are allowed to use these areas and the rest are left to read about it because they could't afford or justify the expense.iI DO NOT CONDONE THE ACTIONS I HAVE READ ABOUT,IT IS WRONG PLAIN AND SIMPLE...thanx for the forum to voice,enjoy the outdoors don't abuse it !!!!!!!!!!!!
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ask them if u can check out their rod for a minute.....oooppss SNAP rod in half over knee...then ask now what are ya gonna do?.....works everytime...ppl are so quick to criticize on forums yet dont have the balls to actually do anything about it or confront the idiots...man up and get these idiots off the river by confronting them...getting physical isnt out of the question...they are breaking the law so u can use necessary force....holmes*
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I can't say I fish the chilliwack vedder often or at all during salmon season...main reason is I can't fish and have fun being around snaggers and the like. I fish from my boat, or fish less known areas as much as possible.
Everyone is right, enough is enough on all systems. Snagging is poaching. Poaching is illegal and CANNOT be tolerated. The general lack of respect for this resource will be the end of it. Every fisher out their who fishes by the laws and respects their quarry needs to stand up for it. In the past when witnessing these poachers at work I might've tried to ignore it, or just fish somwhere else, but not anymore.
PLease everyone, if you see someone snagging or fishing illegally, the LEAST you can do is call RAPP immediately AND let them know you've called.
poachers have it WAYYYY too easy on our waters. they beleive it's their right to "harvest" these fish by any means...we CANNOT let this mentality become the norm. they abuse the fish that many have fought hard for their survival. I will not turn a blind eye to this again. I hope every other self respecting fishermen out their will do the same and not tolerate this nonsense. btw, what are your guys' thoughts on video taping these snaggers/poachers? good idea or not. thanks!
btw, if you discovers a nice little fishing spot that isn't full of poachers, do yourselves a favour and keep that spot to yourselves. no need to brag about how many fish you caught at so and so river or creek. word spreads like wildfire, try to be cognisent about what you tell people and to whom you tell. tightlines guys and good luck! ::)
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ask them if u can check out their rod for a minute.....oooppss SNAP rod in half over knee...then ask now what are ya gonna do?.....works everytime...ppl are so quick to criticize on forums yet dont have the balls to actually do anything about it or confront the idiots...man up and get these idiots off the river by confronting them...getting physical isnt out of the question...they are breaking the law so u can use necessary force....holmes*
Then have the guy bash your head in, bear spray you, stab you, shoot you, or maybe toss you in the river where you could then drown and then they get to your vehicle... Sounds like a GREAT idea, let us all know how it goes with your childish shenanigans be sure to wear your spandex costume and cape while out there so we all know it's you lol.
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PLease everyone, if you see someone snagging or fishing illegally, the LEAST you can do is call RAPP immediately AND let them know you've called.
Call RAPP and call often....they have to prioritize and if they get 10-20 calls over a couple days about the same problem, they will come.....
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Then have the guy bash your head in, bear spray you, stab you, shoot you, or maybe toss you in the river where you could then drown and then they get to your vehicle... Sounds like a GREAT idea, let us all know how it goes with your childish shenanigans be sure to wear your spandex costume and cape while out there so we all know it's you lol.
Agreed Fish Slayer. Holmes - I'm sorry, but you're asking for trouble. It simply isn't worth it. Period.
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Re: 2010 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2010, 03:33:57 PM »
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Quote from: Fish Slayer on October 12, 2010, 08:45:24 PM
Then have the guy bash your head in, bear spray you, stab you, shoot you, or maybe toss you in the river where you could then drown and then they get to your vehicle... Sounds like a GREAT idea, let us all know how it goes with your childish shenanigans be sure to wear your spandex costume and cape while out there so we all know it's you lol.
Agreed Fish Slayer. Holmes - I'm sorry, but you're asking for trouble. It simply isn't worth it. Period.
Also, don't forget them Identifying your vehicle, finding it by the road on that cold wet day and......
MY BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT VIGILANTES: the ones that don't know much themselves going out to be judge, jury and executioner;
Last year there were a couple guys offering to throw this older fellow (close to 70) into the river for snagging (he was not).
A 70 year old guy being harrassed by a couple 20 somethings who didn't actually seem too proficient accusing someone of something that hadn't even happened.
There is a difference between Intentional snagging and an unfortunate Unintentional foul hook (which must be released; as it would be an illegal, poached fish if retained).
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I still come back to reporting the situation as fast as possible and if possible - absolutely video / tape the culprits - pretty hard to argue you were not snagging fish when there's a video showing you doing it! This way if matters get more serious there is criminal evidence too.
Though I still feel the entry level is too low - i.e. our fishing is too cheap for how we want it policed and managed. We should look at funding mechanisms - like the suggestion of a 'vedder' stamp the proceeds of which go to fund enforcement officers on the vedder, etc.
I am not 'elitist' and wanting to price people out of fishing - but when the licences and stamps are as cheap as they are there is little wonder there is not enough money to fund more enforcement officers. Also it clearly attracts some of the wrong people who are only interested in filling their freezers rather than the notion of enjoying the sport and having blank days where they get skunked - which for most of us actually increases the value of the days when the bite is on!
How best to move things forward? And NOT in a vigilante way - 2 wrongs don't make 1 right!
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Valleydude - I would suggest it's a pretty niaive view to think we would price people out of fishing when the licenses are $36/year + say a Salmon stamp at $15. With a Canadian Tire outfit of say $50 you could double this and people would still comfortably be able to afford to go fishing and here's the clincher .... if they really wanted to!
To put it in perspective if you buy 30 cans of beer and a couple of snacks from BC Liquor you are spending circa $70 - for one weekend (depends on your drinking speed of course LOL!) now view $36 for all year!?!?!?!
The key is to ring fence the additional revenue to be spent only on extra enforcement.
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Valleydude - I would suggest it's a pretty niaive view to think we would price people out of fishing when the licenses are $36/year + say a Salmon stamp at $15. With a Canadian Tire outfit of say $50 you could double this and people would still comfortably be able to afford to go fishing and here's the clincher .... if they really wanted to!
To put it in perspective if you buy 30 cans of beer and a couple of snacks from BC Liquor you are spending circa $70 - for one weekend (depends on your drinking speed of course LOL!) now view $36 for all year!?!?!?!
The key is to ring fence the additional revenue to be spent only on extra enforcement.
I honestly don't know how people could complain if they had to pay more for their licenses. What we pay now is a steal IMHO. A round of golf usually costs more than $50. A lift ticket at Whistler is what, $70 now? And don't get me started on how much it costs to go to a Canucks game. I wouldn't mind paying two or three times the amount for an annual pass if it they can assure me that the money will go to better enforcement.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Close retention for Chinooks, Chums and Pinks after Sept 30. Many of the anglers we are complaining about are primarily after White Springs and will kill anything they catch no matter how dark. I find generally that these anglers have a tougher time hooking into coho. I remember when we could only keep Spring Jacks and Coho and the fishing was much more pleasant.
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i think you guys are right ,we should make it so only you that deserve to fish ,get to,the price of the licence isnt the problem,its the people abusing it ,our fisheries haven't proven they have the ability to manage cupcakes!!!!!!!!!!! furthermore i have choosen to teach my children to respect our outdoors because its the right thing to do,not because we paid for a stamp to do so,IMO these are elitist comments and only lead to more abuse from the very people you are trying to remove from the river. i understand the frustration but i feel its a slippery slope that you gentlemen want to enter, JUST MY TWO CENTS WORTH
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You want to close the retention for those species? Than the hatchery has to stop enhancing these species. Which IMO is not a good idea.
The only thing that works is enforcement.
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Valleydude - these are NOT elitist comments - they are practical comments. How else will you raise the cash to pay for more enforcement????? ???
The reality is 99% of honest law abiding 'true' anglers think the same - however we do live in the real world and we would need funds to pay for enforcement. How else would you raise it?
BTW Stratocaster - Whistler is $93/day for walk-up price during the main season!!!!!! (http://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/tickets/winter/index.htm) :o
Sorry to be a moan! Just so sad to watch such an amazing resource which should be being celebrated become over-run with idiots trying to cheaply fill their freezers. Just wrong.
Kudos for teaching your kids well Valleydude - if only everyone had done this eh!
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kype,i'm curious what you consider a true angler,i see lots of photos of people on this site keeping plenty of fish from many different rivers that they fish on,when we purchase a license that gives us the option to retain fish if we so choose,if regs are being broken is one thing,i believe many people took much more fish than they will eat,that said DFO could have closed the fishery way sooner and most people would have been good with that.sounds to me like some of the people you are asking to enforce these regs with new money were not doing much of enforcement job with what was already in place!!!!!! You might be able to get 99% of the 100 guys that fish the vedder 4 to 5 days a week to agree with your point of view , only problem is that the fees collected from the 1000's of rec fishers that only get out a handfull of times are paying for these enforcement officers. I respect your opinion,i just don't agree with..SORRY
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I hate it when people intrude your space when you fish.there isn't much you can do but glare at them and they stare at you as if your an idiot. I guess some people think they own the river.or even if you fish at the slab they cast right over you! Honestly kills my buzz.