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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: armytruck on November 02, 2015, 03:20:49 PM
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Just wanted to ask if anyone here has an Amundson wading jacket and what there thoughts are on it . I am looking to purchase and kinda on a buget and the SIMMS are way to far out of reach . My buget is about $150. I was debating over the Amundson or Frogtog jackets but need a second opinion . Or another choice .
Thank You
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I recently bought the 110$ Frogtog Toadz Hellbender. Got to try it out in Saturdays torrent, handled it just fine. Tight at the waist , loose everywhere else for casting. Enough pockets to carry most of what you'd need. I've never had a different one to compare with, but I'm satisfied with it. Has a rod holder loop too...
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love frogg toggs!
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I have the amundson wadding jacket purchased from army and navy and love it. It's got great features to it and can allow you to cast with out riding up. I have used it in heavy rain and it keeps you dry. I would recommend it to anyone.
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For that budget, definitely try the Frogg Toggs lineup. They're great for their price point.
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Ya Frog Toggs is legit. Got the Cascade jacket. Has 25 pockets which was the selling point for me. Gotta love that many pockets!
Have had one tear near the zipper but who cares, keeps me dry and under $100. Take that Simms! haha
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I've had/have both.
Get the frogg toggs tekk toad.
Very light, breathable, great neoprene cuffs and an awesome fit. They are fairly durable and each one I have had has lasted me a year (around 200-250 trips) of hard VI stream bushwhacking. They are very waterproof and quite easy to repair on the chance you do get a tear. Best thing is they are cheap! Can order one for around $60 USD.
The Amundson... bought it to try because I had a great discount.
The are sized terribly (I'm a medium in everything, and I had to go an awkward small). My buddy is normally an extra large and he went medium. The length in the small is way too short, but the body size and arms are ok for my size - you can't really win with the sizing. VERY durable - but I would never recommend one if you hike - you may as well not be wearing anything because they are not breath-able at all and you'll be more wet from sweat than rain. The neoprene cuffs suck and don't tighten up enough around my wrist (remember, I have a small - the smallest - jacket) to even bother with them - you'll get water down your sleeve tightened all the way or not.
Long story short, I'd never buy another amundson jacket, great discount or not. The next chance I get to go back to Frogg Toggs I will.
If you want something else to look into, Redington actually makes a good jacket. Kitty has been wearing one and it's been great. i think she paid something like $60 on sale. They had men's too, but I never picked one up and wish I had. No neoprene cuffs, but the cuffs still stay fairly waterproof. The are really light and breathable, and even have ventilation zippers under the armpits for when you are hiking.
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Thank you everyone :) . I will have to take a trip out to Richmond since the stores in Langley do not have many to choose from .
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I'm in the market too...and Simms is out of reach.
Tried on the Amundson and Frogg Toggs Hellbender at A&N in Langley.
Where in Richmond are you looking?
Amundson size was off and wasn't impressed with overall quality. Wrist cuffs weren't great either, as mentioned.
Liked the Frogg Toggs....
Looked on their website and found a new model, they just came out with.
http://www.froggtoggs.com/mens/pilot-ii-4-ply-microfiber-breathable-guide-jacket.html
I think this is the one I'm going for. Don't really like the orange zippers, but jacket design and materials look good. The have a camo and charcoal color too.
I found it online for cheaper than the msrp ....so landed should be around $150
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Army & Navy Downtown had some pretty nice looking 3 Ply Rapala Fishing jackets that fit your budget, maybe give them a shout
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Frog Toggs Hellbender is an awesome jacket.
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I'm in the market too...and Simms is out of reach.
Tried on the Amundson and Frogg Toggs Hellbender at A&N in Langley.
Where in Richmond are you looking?
Amundson size was off and wasn't impressed with overall quality. Wrist cuffs weren't great either, as mentioned.
Liked the Frogg Toggs....
Looked on their website and found a new model, they just came out with.
http://www.froggtoggs.com/mens/pilot-ii-4-ply-microfiber-breathable-guide-jacket.html
I think this is the one I'm going for. Don't really like the orange zippers, but jacket design and materials look good. The have a camo and charcoal color too.
I found it online for cheaper than the msrp ....so landed should be around $150
By Richmond ,I meant giong to Berry's . I went on line but all I see is SIMMS .
Seems like most tackle shops sell SIMMS exclusively . I almost beleive that SIMMS sales reps won't allow tackle stores bring in (SIMMS) unless the tackle store limits other brands from there shelfs . Maybe it's just a lack of reps pushing there line of products out there . Who knows . All I can say is , I would like to see more choices for the lower income consumer . Don't get me wrong , I do own SIMMS Waders I paid off in 3 payments :P. Looks like I may have to make another 3 . ;D
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My vote for Frogg Togg too. The only thing I've found is the slightly (still comfy tho!) tight elastic waist is a tad short and tends to ride up from casting.
That being said I would still buy another! SUPER waterproof (wading over my waist, tripped and went for a swim, over my head. Got a TRICKLE down the front of my neckline).
Also, that new one they came out with seems not to have an elastic waist.... it IS a little more spensive tho..... http://www.froggtoggs.com/mens/pilot-ii-4-ply-microfiber-breathable-guide-jacket.html
HOLY CRAP - their cheaper one is on at Amazon for UNDER $45 US!! (let me know if you need a hand shipping within the US to save on the shipping and duty!). http://www.amazon.com/Frogg-Toggs-Tekk-Wading-Jacket/dp/B002KNC0I0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1446821657&sr=8-3&keywords=frogg+togg+wading+jacket
The Hellbender (the one I have) is on for $68 http://www.amazon.com/Frogg-Toggs-Hellbender-Wading-XX-Large/dp/B00R6NZR9S/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1446821657&sr=8-4&keywords=frogg+togg+wading+jacket
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Liked the Frogg Toggs....
Looked on their website and found a new model, they just came out with.
http://www.froggtoggs.com/mens/pilot-ii-4-ply-microfiber-breathable-guide-jacket.html
Thanks for the headsup on this jacket. I just ordered the grey one for US$ 109. Looks like a winner at this price point.
Can't wait to try it out in late November.
Glad to find a decent alternative to the overpriced Simms jackets.
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Milo, since I already have that jacket, I'm happy to take you out and show you how to use it properly. In exchange, you only have to take me out and show me how to actually catch fish...;)
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Milo, since I already have that jacket, I'm happy to take you out and show you how to use it properly. In exchange, you only have to take me out and show me how to actually catch fish...;)
LOL! ;D
I can't guarantee I will get you into coho, but I am sure I can show you a trick or two.
Fly or gear?
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Ha! Either/both!
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Milo, since I already have that jacket, I'm happy to take you out and show you how to use it properly. In exchange, you only have to take me out and show me how to actually catch fish...;)
What do you think of that jacket?
Any negatives?
I'm not a big fan of a removable hood. Would prefer it is attached...
My current jacket has a big hood and fully covers my ball cap. How big is the hood on that jacket?
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Well, first off, be aware it's the first fishing jacket I've ever had, so...
But, I really like it. It's very roomy for many layers, including the sleeves. Lots of pockets for tippets, weights/swivels etc., and two large pockets for for lure/fly boxes. Side pockets and hand warmer pockets too. Tight at the waist. Hood is not remove able, but has a pouch to fold it into at the back of the jacket. I suppose maybe there's something better, but for 110$, I have no complaints, other than that it didn't seem to help me catch fish any npbetter...;)
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Hey everyone...I'm also looking for a new jacket, thinking either hellbender or pilot 2 guide. Is there a local store I can try these jackets on?
Thanks
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Hey everyone...I'm also looking for a new jacket, thinking either hellbender or pilot 2 guide. Is there a local store I can try these jackets on?
Thanks
A&N Langley had the hellbender..... haven't seen the pilot 2 in stores (it's pretty new)
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What do you think of that jacket?
Any negatives?
I'm not a big fan of a removable hood. Would prefer it is attached...
My current jacket has a big hood and fully covers my ball cap. How big is the hood on that jacket?
Hood is pretty huge - fit your ball cap and room left to spare! (hellbender)
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I ended up grabbing a FrogTogg Hellbender from A&N today . They have a few left , about 4 or 5 jackets . Lots of Admundson jackets on sale for 119.00 but did not like the material its made from . Looks more of a soaker jacket , could be wrong though .
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A&N Langley had the hellbender..... haven't seen the pilot 2 in stores (it's pretty new)
thanks Scouterjames
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I ended up grabbing a FrogTogg Hellbender from A&N today . They have a few left , about 4 or 5 jackets . Lots of Admundson jackets on sale for 119.00 but did not like the material its made from . Looks more of a soaker jacket , could be wrong though .
AT, how much did you pay for your jacket?
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Some great info here thanks guys. I'm in the market for a new wading jacket too. Been trying to save up for a Simms G3 or whatever but I just don't think I can justify spending that much $ on a wading jacket. I have the G3 waders and LOVE them, but they were a gift and I'm just too cheap to spend my own $ on a $600ish jacket :o
Been rocking a Cabela's guide jacket for 6 or so years. It's still alright but the water repellent finish is NFG. The jacket will not soak through but the outer nylon gets soaked eventually so the jacket feels wet I washed it with Nicwax tech wash the other day then did another cycle with the wash in waterproofing. The jacket beaded water great for a few days out in the rain then the coating wore off and the same problem resurfaced. Time for a new jacket!
Reading the comments here and looking at the links I like the looks of the F/T Hellbender and the Pilot 2. Can't beat the price! Probably not the best time of year to be looking for a wading jacket I'm guessing they are moving off the shelves pretty fast. Any other place stock F/T aside from A+N? I'm in Chilliwack and don't really want to make a run to Langley and find the shelves picked clean? Whole Sale Sports maybe?
Been fishing in the rain a lot lately and this worn out Cabela's jacket is really starting to cramp my style... >:(
Also, can anyone comment if the Hellbender or Pilot has a pocket in the rear of the jacket? My current Cabelas jacket does not. A few buddies have fishing jackets with a zippered pocket in the rear. Handy place to stow a couple garbage bags, large ziplocks, and so on. Wish my jacket had one...
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No pocket in back....
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Spawnsac, checkout the Cascade by Frogtoggs
I was also lookin for a jacket with lots of storage and its awesome for the price!
http://www.amazon.com/Frogg-Toggs-Cascades-Sportsmans-Wading/dp/B00DLZXVES
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A/N Langley has brown left for $170. Wholesale sports don't carry FT only Simms
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I stopped at Fred's this am. They had the FT Hellbender on for $139.(regular price). They said they could order the Pilot 2, price would be $200+.
My cabelas jacket soaked through in no time today....it's gotta go. Thinking of phoning them and discussing their lifetime guarantee...? All they have is Simms on their WS now?
Fished this am with a guy who had a FT jacket on (Pilot 1?). Asked him his opinion. He was dry and loved his jacket....
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thanks Scouterjames
You're welcome! Just got back from 5 hours in POURING rain. Hellbender bent hell forsho! Dry as a bone. No, it doesn't have the back zip, BUT it has a TON of front pockets and on very large 'mickey' pocket on the inside.... garbage bags have a home, not to worry. Also, the mickey pocket fits the big bag of spits for those that indulge (please don't leave a big mess of shells! LOL)
Another comment regarding the hood - it IS nice and large, and has a peak on the front - I don't use a hood, drives me nuts - I bought a Froggs Toggs breathable boonie (or bucket, can't remember which it is) waterproof hat - the brim is large enough to cover the neck (and keeps my glasses rain free - very important! LOL), it's breathable (no sweat!) and light. Has a wind chin strap if it's needed too. again, 5 hours in the POURING RAIN and my hair was dry (no rain and no sweat). It's crushable too, so it lives in my gear bag or one of the many pockets of my wading jacket. It was around 8 bucks on sale.... http://www.froggtoggs.com/accessories-equipment.html?p=2
Not particularly pro-Froggs (I read my post, sounds like I work for them LOL) but for the price, I don't think it can be beat! Not to mention, I can buy a lot of new ones for the price of one SIMMS, so never worried about snagging it and ripping or whatever on a tough bushwack or slide down a hill!
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You're welcome! Just got back from 5 hours in POURING rain. Hellbender bent hell forsho! Dry as a bone. No, it doesn't have the back zip, BUT it has a TON of front pockets and on very large 'mickey' pocket on the inside.... garbage bags have a home, not to worry. Also, the mickey pocket fits the big bag of spits for those that indulge (please don't leave a big mess of shells! LOL)
Another comment regarding the hood - it IS nice and large, and has a peak on the front - I don't use a hood, drives me nuts - I bought a Froggs Toggs breathable boonie (or bucket, can't remember which it is) waterproof hat - the brim is large enough to cover the neck, it's breathable (no sweat!) and light. Has a wind chin strap if it's needed too. again, 5 hours in the POURING RAIN and my hair was dry (no rain and no sweat). It's crushable too, so it lives in my gear bag or one of the many pockets of my wading jacket. It was around 8 bucks on sale.... http://www.froggtoggs.com/accessories-equipment.html?p=2
Not particularly pro-Froggs (I read my post, sounds like I work for them LOL) but for the price, I don't think it can be beat! Not to mention, I can buy a lot of new ones for the price of one SIMMS, so never worried about snagging it and ripping or whatever on a tough bushwack or slide down a hill!
Sounds like an awesome jacket. Have one ordered in XL, can't wait to wear it.
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I stopped at Fred's this am. They had the FT Hellbender on for $139.(regular price). They said they could order the Pilot 2, price would be $200+.
My cabelas jacket soaked through in no time today....it's gotta go. Thinking of phoning them and discussing their lifetime guarantee...? All they have is Simms on their WS now?
Fished this am with a guy who had a FT jacket on (Pilot 1?). Asked him his opinion. He was dry and loved his jacket....
Hey C/S, were you in Fred's Abby or Chilliwack? If the Chilliwack store has some Hellbenders in I'd like to pop in and check them out tomorrow before work. Won't have time to drive to Abby.
Looking at pictures online...the cascade has TOO MANY pockets for my liking. I know I would put something in a pocket, be looking for it days later, then have to spend 5 minutes looking through pockets to find it. I try to carry a miniaml amount of crap with me when I go fishing. Got a hip pack that stores 99% of my stuff for the day, then I have my phone, keys, a bit of fishing stuff (knife, pliers, etc) in my jacket.
I'd be between the hellbender and Pilot 2. I'm kind of used to having the big square pockets in the front like the hellbender but then I ask myself....do I REALLY need those big pockets? Sometimes I carry a nalgene container full of roe, the size of a tall can of beer, in one of the front pockets. Might not fit in the Pilot 2. However I really dont need to use this container I just like it. A zip lock freezer bag would work too and likely fit fine in the P-2.
I think someone mentioned that the P-2 does not have an elastic waistband? I think I would prefer that. My cabela's jacket has the elastic waist band and it seems like it's always riding up my back a bit.
I know the P-2 is a new jacket...but does anyone have it and can comment on P-2 vs Hellbender?
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I was in chilliwack
They had a M and a XXL on the wall.
Might want to phone ahead to see if they have your rough size.
On page 2 HG says it has a tight waist. Drawstring?
Without seeing both in person side by side. I'd say P2 is almost the same as HB, but better/different fabric.
I have the FT Anura waders with the 4 ply fabric. Pretty durable.
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Thanks. I live close to Fred's Chilliwack so I'll just pop in there tomorow and see what they have.
Would be nice if a store sticked the P-2 to try it on, compare to the hellbender, etc.
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It shows/says the P2 has a drawstring in the waist - looks like it's a tad longer and no elastic waist.
Yes, the HB has a pretty tight elastic waist and does ride a bit from casting.
If price is an issue, I'd go with HB. If the extra few bucks aren't then I'd prolly order a P2 to try (I THINK they're return policy on online orders in decent)
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AT, how much did you pay for your jacket?
I paid $149 + tax @ A&N . Broke it in today on 3 river systems , stayed nice and dry . Got. Little trickle down the sleeve from holding the rod (expected) . I wear a large but grabed an extra large so l can layer up . The waist band didn't really bother me at all , kept the wind off my back .
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Was in Fred's Chwk this morning checking out wading jackets. They had two hellbenders in stock a M and XXL. The XXL fit closer to a Simms XL. XXL probably too big even layered up but I'd like to try on an XL to be sure. Asked them about the Pilot 2. They said none on order but people have been asking about them and they will likely try and stock them in the near future.
The hellbender seemed like a pretty decent jacket. I think it was $139 + tax. However I think i like the look/design of the new pilot 2 a bit better.
It would be awesome, when one of ya'll who recently ordered a pilot 2 recieve their jacket, if you could post a review on this thread. Im not in a huge rush to buy and can probably wait until they are stocked locally, then try on and if I like buy. And if not like then probablu go with the hellbender. If they are not in stock by the new year ill probably say bugger it and take my chances and order on online.
Tried on some Simms G3 and G4 jackets. Yeah nice!! But not 7-800 bucks nice. Ive had some high end gortex hiking jackets (patagonia, etc) and IMO ALL of these jackets are eventually going to lose their water repellant finish and no amount of nikwax or whatever will bring it back. Yeah im sure the Simms will outlast the FT but will it last 4 times as long? I doubt it.
After hearing a lot of good about FT i think ill give them a chance.
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It would be awesome, when one of ya'll who recently ordered a pilot 2 recieve their jacket, if you could post a review on this thread.
I should be picking mine up in Blaine either this coming Friday or next. I will test it on a really rainy day and post a review.
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Yes, please do! Going on the pictures, product info, and so on it looks like the pilot 2 is a slightly "better" version of the hellbender (which already seems like a pretty decent jacket). I'm going to wait a bit and hopefully Fred's or another store around here gets some in. If not I'll likely just chance it and order online in XL.
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Ive had some high end gortex hiking jackets (patagonia, etc) and IMO ALL of these jackets are eventually going to lose their water repellant finish and no amount of nikwax or whatever will bring it back. Yeah im sure the Simms will outlast the FT but will it last 4 times as long? I doubt it.
I agree with you about the relative cost of the jackets. Though if you got the coin, more power to you. Apologize if you already know this, but even if the DWR coating (water repellent) wears off and no longer wicks water, Goretex or eVent or any quality waterproof breathable membrane is still waterproof.
If it does get slightly wet inside it's probably because the pores are clogged and you're damp from sweat because it's no longer breathing properly. Just wash with a "sportwash" or any detergent that has zero additives or softeners. You're actually suppose to wash waterproof breathable jackets often to maintain their performance.
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If your a size small in jackets and like camo, you can pickup the Stormr (Realtree) from amazon.com for $65USD
http://www.amazon.com/STORMR-R215MF-RT-3xl-Stormr-Typhoon-Jacket/dp/B009ATCG0Y
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Technically goretex is not waterproof, it only hold 10000-20000 mm of water column pressure. So heavy down pour you will get wet. And also if the jacket is dirty and the fabric is clogged with dirt, that's where the water will soak in because it can't bead off. I know cause I own a Simms jacket, and just a goretex arc'teryx jacket. They all soak in after a while, no mater how much care you you take.
Easy way to test jacket, put it on and get someone to take a hose and spray you. For the price frog toggs for sure, you can buy 3-4 Frog togg jackets for the price of Simms goretex one.
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Technically goretex is not waterproof, it only hold 10000-20000 mm of water column pressure. So heavy down pour you will get wet. And also if the jacket is dirty and the fabric is clogged with dirt, that's where the water will soak in because it can't bead off. I know cause I own a Simms jacket, and just a goretex arc'teryx jacket. They all soak in after a while, no mater how much care you you take.
Easy way to test jacket, put it on and get someone to take a hose and spray you. For the price frog toggs for sure, you can buy 3-4 Frog togg jackets for the price of Simms goretex one.
So your saying that the Simms Headwater, G3, and G4 waders are not waterproof?
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Buddy I'm talkin about jackets, don't be stupid and talk about waders. That's like apples and oranges.
Waders and jackets are different materials. What I'm saying is the JACKETS in goretex even though they are marketed as waterproof, is only to a point. After use and getting poured on what I'm saying is you will get some water penetration. So if you have a budget get frog toggs, if you have unlimited budget get what ever tickles you fancy.
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Practically speaking, Goretex and eVent, or waterproof breathable fabric is waterproof. It's a porous membrane that allows water vapour but not water itself to penetrate, sandwiched between 2 pieces of nylon for fit and finish.
If it becomes clogged with sweat or dirt, the vapour cannot be released. The wicking action on the outer nylon is from the DWR (durable water resistant coating) that wears off after use and can be re-applied with varying success.
Waders, like the Simms, are a waterproof breathable fabric as well. I guess not as breathable as Goretex etc because you can submerge it under with current and it stays "waterproof" .... I'm not going to argue it because who really cares.
Point is, keep your jacket clean. And if you're getting a little damp with an old jacket, maybe give it a good wash with the right detergent and you may get it's life back.
Sometimes if the outer shell gets soaked, and the jacket isn't lined, it may give the impression of being wet (cold0 but it actually didn't soak through.
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Buddy I'm talkin about jackets, don't be stupid and talk about waders. That's like apples and oranges.
Waders and jackets are different materials. What I'm saying is the JACKETS in goretex even though they are marketed as waterproof, is only to a point. After use and getting poured on what I'm saying is you will get some water penetration. So if you have a budget get frog toggs, if you have unlimited budget get what ever tickles you fancy.
Wow great attitude. Last I checked Simms waders used Goretex so it's not like apples and oranges.
Please explain to me how the Goretex is different??
I can fish in downpour conditions all day with my Simms Goretex jacket and have dry shoulders at the end of the day. But maybe I'm being stupid and comparing coconuts to mangos. :-\
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Quote from: Sagefishr on Today at 11:06:43 AM
Buddy I'm talkin about jackets, don't be stupid and talk about waders. That's like apples and oranges.
Waders and jackets are different materials. What I'm saying is the JACKETS in goretex even though they are marketed as waterproof, is only to a point. After use and getting poured on what I'm saying is you will get some water penetration. So if you have a budget get frog toggs, if you have unlimited budget get what ever tickles you fancy.
Wow great attitude. Last I checked Simms waders used Goretex so it's not like apples and oranges.
Please explain to me how the Goretex is different??
I can fish in downpour conditions all day with my Simms Goretex jacket and have dry shoulders at the end of the day. But maybe I'm being stupid and comparing coconuts to mangos. :-\
Obviously you can't read, jacket!!!! Waders???? Two different materials!!! Thanks animal chin for explaining the different materials and coatings. Maybe read the thread first, now it's getting slightly off topic here.
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Obviously you can't read, jacket!!!! Waders???? Two different materials!!! Thanks animal chin for explaining the different materials and coatings. Maybe read the thread first, now it's getting slightly off topic here.
There are not different types of Gore-tex.
Gore-tex waders have the same membrane as a Gore-tex jacket.
Simms Headwaters, G3 and G4 waders are made with Gore-tex
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Frogg Toggs - 25% off this week (until Nov 15th) coupon code VETSDAY
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Frogg Toggs - 25% off this week (until Nov 15th) coupon code VETSDAY
SJ...which store?
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SJ...which store?
http://www.froggtoggs.com/
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We're going to be like the Vedder Militia with our Frogg Toggs jackets. I ordered my Hellbender for like $68 USD from Amazon. I think the discount code is good through Frogg Toggs.
If you guys are looking for an awesome waterproof jacket/windjacket (best piece of clothing for backpacking..wind is the worst), take a look at the FT Driducks Ultralight 2. It's a full rain suit, ugly as sin, but the lightest best breathing, waterproof jacket I've worn. It's even better than my dedicated (non-waterproof) wind shirts....and it's like $15. I've hiked Torre Del Paine, Corsica GR20 and the Grand Canyon for hours with my pack and was very comfortable.
The pants will rip easily but easy to patch with duct tape.
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/elf773/IMGP1767.jpg) (http://s703.photobucket.com/user/elf773/media/IMGP1767.jpg.html)
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There are not different types of Gore-tex.
Gore-tex waders have the same membrane as a Gore-tex jacket.
Simms Headwaters, G3 and G4 waders are made with Gore-tex
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j135/canso/image.jpg1_zpskfrqxmmo.jpg) (http://s79.photobucket.com/user/canso/media/image.jpg1_zpskfrqxmmo.jpg.html)
There are a few different types of Gore-Tex.
N80p-X GORE-TEX® Pro 3L
N40r-X GORE-TEX® Pro 3L
N70p GORE-TEX®
There are more.. there is definitely different types and quality of Gore-Tex. Not sure what Simms uses. The Gore-Tex Pro material is incredibly light weight and the most durable and wear resistant.
A product made by Grangers is one of best and most recommended products to use for cleaning and restoring Gore-Tex fabrics. It's essential that after its washed that the garment is put in the dryer on medium high heat. The drying effect is also what partially restores the waterproofing, think of the Gore-Tex fibres as your finger. When it loses it water repellency due to dirt, grim and body oils that have evaporated the fibres have staightened. When you dry it on medium-high heat the fibre curls like your finger and that's what's providing the water repellant. If in a real bind you can just put a true Gore-Tex jacket in the dryer withough cleaning it and partially restore some waterproofing effect.
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The new Rapala a Interface jacket is really nice, but I think a lot of places are sold out.
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I ordered the small FT Hellbender. I'm about 5'7". Great jacket, nice fit and finish, useful handwarmer pockets (X2 sets), but when I lifted my arms over my head the jacket rode up quite a bit. Too bad, I sent it back. YMMV.
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Just picked up my Pilot II Guide in Blaine.
First impression is more than positive.
I like the Coyote (dark brown) colour with the black zippers.
Details to follow after I give it a good whirl on Sunday.
A word of warning about the sizing, which I believe applies to all Frogg Toggs products.
The sizing is similar to Simms's, meaning XL and XXL are really big - the way there are supposed to be.
My jacket is XXL and it leaves plenty of room for layering on my 6'4", 275# frame. The sleeves are very long, almost too long. Check the sizing chart on FT's website. It's very accurate.
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Milo, does the jacket ride up with arms lifted or outstretched? If so, does it fall back on it's own or do you have to re-adjust with hands? Let us know how the neoprene cuffs work out as well. Thanks
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Frogg Toggs - company report/comment.
The zipper on my HB is a tad tough to start after a few trips (I may even be the culprit.....), so I emailed them and asked how much to replace. They quickly replied back that they would warranty it (although it's slightly out of warranty period and I don't know where my receipt is anyway). I asked if there was anyway to upgrade to their new jackets - sure say they, $40 upgrade fee and I'm good to go! Since I'm in Canada, no need to send the old jacket back, just cut the tags off and send them in with the return authorization (so the cost of a stamp vs. the cost of courier/package to return).
I was already sold on the quality/price of their products - THAT warranty offer and quick, friendly correspondence sealed the deal - can't say enough good things about Frogg Toggs!!
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Finally had the chance to test my Pilot II jacket yesterday on a higher elevation mountain stream, where I was greeted with incessant rain, hail, sleet and merciless wind, logging a total of 12 kilometers along the stream.
The jacket performed flawlessly. Water rolled off it in beads, keeping me dry and comfy. The neoprene hand cuffs were 90% effective in keeping the water out of my arm despite my holding the rod up in the downpour for quite some time.
The jacket is very comfortable to wear - doesn't ride up when casting and stretching and it has an array of water-proof pockets for storage and loops to hang things. Breathability is top notch.
My buddy Tad who was with me and uses a Simms Guide 3 jacket (or maybe even 4, not sure), said the Pilot II will be his next purchase, that's how impressed he was with it.
Simms performance at a fraction of the price. What's not to like? ;D
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Finally had the chance to test my Pilot II jacket yesterday on a higher elevation mountain stream, where I was greeted with incessant rain, hail, sleet and merciless wind, logging a total of 12 kilometers along the stream.
The jacket performed flawlessly. Water rolled off it in beads, keeping me dry and comfy. The neoprene hand cuffs were 90% effective in keeping the water out of my arm despite my holding the rod up in the downpour for quite some time.
The jacket is very comfortable to wear - doesn't ride up when casting and stretching and it has an array of water-proof pockets for storage and loops to hang things. Breathability is top notch.
My buddy Tad who was with me and uses a Simms Guide 3 jacket (or maybe even 4, not sure), said the Pilot II will be his next purchase, that's how impressed he was with it.
Simms performance at a fraction of the price. What's not to like? ;D
Yes, I am on my second Simms jacket . G4 was first and now G3. They lasts 4-5 years and start leaking on the shoulders( I fish almost every week). It cost me lots of coin and don't lasts. Now days we got a lot of new gortex type of product from different manufacturers and they are increasingly better. There is no reason to fill Simms coffers if I can get something equal at fraction of the price.
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Frogg Toggs - company report/comment.
The zipper on my HB is a tad tough to start after a few trips (I may even be the culprit.....), so I emailed them and asked how much to replace. They quickly replied back that they would warranty it (although it's slightly out of warranty period and I don't know where my receipt is anyway). I asked if there was anyway to upgrade to their new jackets - sure say they, $40 upgrade fee and I'm good to go! Since I'm in Canada, no need to send the old jacket back, just cut the tags off and send them in with the return authorization (so the cost of a stamp vs. the cost of courier/package to return).
I was already sold on the quality/price of their products - THAT warranty offer and quick, friendly correspondence sealed the deal - can't say enough good things about Frogg Toggs!!
Based upon the comments in this thread, last November I bought a Froggs Toggs Hellbender wading jacket. It got use in the light rain a few times in the past year, but in early November of this year I was fishing in a solid heavy rain for 2-3 hours. I had the hood up, the neoprene cuffs cinched tight, but both sleeves of my sweater were soaked from armpit to wrist.
I emailed Froggs Toggs, explained the circumstances and expressed my disappointment with the product. I got an immediate reply and was asked to ship the jacket back for a warranty inspection. Then a couple of days later I got a second email saying that they were just going to replace the jacket and send me a new one. They wouldn't have my size available until Spring, 2017 and would ship it out then, and was I OK with that? I was/am.
Now, we'll see what happens in the spring, but I was very impressed with the offer to replace the jacket sight unseen, and based upon my word. Heck, I even think they are going ship it to my home and save me a trip to a US freight forwarder.
Very satisfied with the unexpected level of service.
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Anyone have a review they could give me about the Rapala Tactics wading jacket ?
I've gone around checked out every jacket in the price range I feel comfortable spending and this jacket fits and feel best of all for what I want in a jacket. I cannot find any reviews online besides companies that sell them so far
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Anyone have a review they could give me about the Rapala Tactics wading jacket ?
I've gone around checked out every jacket in the price range I feel comfortable spending and this jacket fits and feel best of all for what I want in a jacket. I cannot find any reviews online besides companies that sell them so far
I tried this jacket on at army and navy today. It felt very comfortable to me. The only things I didn't like were the water tight cuffs seemed tough to cinch up and didn't seem like they would keep water out and it's a thin jacket so many layers would be needed on colder days. I also found that the hand warmer pockets sat too high. Other than that I did really like it.
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I tried this jacket on at army and navy today. It felt very comfortable to me. The only things I didn't like were the water tight cuffs seemed tough to cinch up and didn't seem like they would keep water out and it's a thin jacket so many layers would be needed on colder days. I also found that the hand warmer pockets sat too high. Other than that I did really like it.
My Simms G4 is just a shell so very thin which I like and have learned to layer properly. Hand warmer pockets are also located in the same area as my simms, any further down and they may get rain in them left open (has never happened on my simms)
Cuffs will never keep the water out fully no matter what jacket unfortunately but yes some are definitely thought out way better than others.
If I had several hundred dollas to buy a Simms or Patagonia I would do that but alas I do not and my current jacket can't even hold out a light drizzle now :'(
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If my neoprene cuffs get pounded on by rain or repeated submerging the water creeps up the cuff. Once that happens then it creeps up the sleeves and then my arms are soaked from the inside. The gor-tex never lets water in from the outside. I've never been happy with that prospect, next jacket will be outer gor-tex shell with no neoprene cuffs.
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The gor-tex never lets water in from the outside.
I have a Simms g4 jacket. After 5 years it started to leak on the top of my shoulders like sieve. Gortex is far from perfect. Now same thing is starting to happen to my newer G3. I will never buy this products again. Not worth the money they ask for.
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My Simms is below the G3 - I don't remember the specific name and it's no longer marketed. I think it is several years old now and still water proof. I wear it a lot - often even when it's not raining or showers are not possible.
I don't think a leak after 5 years is all that bad. Get yourself a cheap back up and get your jacket repaired.
You can send your jacket or waders back to Simms. I sent my G3 waders back last year via Michael and Young. The put in new feet and the waders were reconditions and it cost $100 which compared to the going rate of $600+ tax was a bargain. Leaks can also be plugged with Aquaseal.
I had terrible experience with other jackets, particularly a Bare "Kodiak" with neoprene cuffs. No matter how many treatments with spray products or washes they leak within a couple months either at the shoulder seems or water creeping up past the cuffs. I had far better luck with a Columbia shell I got 10 years ago for $60 (on sale) - it's still waterproof. Right now I also have a Hell Hansen I bought as a street jacket for $100 (on sale).
I think shells are better if the fabric breathes well. In the event of a leak you are far more likely to fin id and to repair it.
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For anyone in the market for new jackets (rain/wading) there's a sale on at compass360gear.com til end of Dec (use promo code "360christmas) rain jackets from $16-30 and wading jacket from $49 with promo code. I can't comment of the quaility as I have not seen/used them but at some of these sale prices you can't really go wrong.
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My g4 also soaks through like crazy. I tried treating it with Revivex and it sorta worked for 1 outing and then soaked again afterwards. Thankfully I wear a Simms soft-shell jacket underneath which is water resistant enough I stay dry under it.
I plan to send my G4 back to Simms once I get a new jacket and see if they can fix it or maybe get lucky and they replace it. Either way it would be better than it is now. I can't send it back and leave myself without a jacket to to at least slow the rain down because I need to be on the water :-)
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My G4 doesn't leak at all after 5? years.
I wear a sling, not a pack and I rarely wash it which might help. You have to be really careful about getting fabric softener near goretex as it prevents water repelling.
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My Simms Guide jacket is still fairly newish.... so far so good. According to Simms it is a lot stronger than the previous Guide jacket.
The shingle (cinch) cuffs work great as I can tighten them to suit and the fabric under the velcro does not hold water like neoprene does. Keeps sleeves underneath dry and also keeps the wrists from getting cold, no water migrates up my arm at all.
I can fully submerge my hands in the river to tail a fish or rinse off slime and roe/mess etc.. without worrying about getting water up the sleeve.
My old jacket had neoprene cuffs and my wrists would freeze if the neoprene got wet, the water would also wick up into my underlying sleeves too.
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My G4 doesn't leak at all after 5? years.
I wear a sling, not a pack and I rarely wash it which might help. You have to be really careful about getting fabric softener near goretex as it prevents water repelling.
Love my G4 and if I had the budget would buy abother. Mine is either 8 or 9 yrs old and starting leaking through somewhat last year and is toast this year even after treating it. I definitely got my money's worth from the jacket and maybe I'll get lucky and they can repair it or very lucky and they send a new one :o
Unfortunately I need to get a replacement jacket in order to send it away because I can't be without. Hopefully the cuffs on that Rapala don't suck because I do shove my arms in the water to tail fish and what not. Don't think I've ever owned a jacket that allowed water to creep upward, normally your elbow areas will be wet because of the angle your arm is at while fishing and water can run down your skin regardless of how tight your cuffs are, no jacket can stop it, not even the G4, gloves OVER my jacket wrist was the only thing that kept out the water
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All those potions like Revivex only restore the water repellancy of the nylon shell. The goretex membrane is underneath that. If there is a hole in the goretex, the garment will leak no matter how much of that stuff you spray on or how many time you wash it.
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All those potions like Revivex only restore the water repellancy of the nylon shell. The goretex membrane is underneath that. If there is a hole in the goretex, the garment will leak no matter how much of that stuff you spray on or how many time you wash it.
What about when the rain comes through the jacket EVERYWHERE :'( :'( :'(
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For the gang that is complaining about water running down your arms from casting the 2 handed starvation stick during a rainfall. Try picking up a couple pairs of sweatbands for your wrists then tighten your cuffs around the sweatband. When soaked change out or a dry pair!
This works.
15 years and counting for my Simms Guide jacket. I have a new one sitting in a box just waiting for the first outing. Still square tails to land with old faithful!
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What about when the rain comes through the jacket EVERYWHERE :'( :'( :'(
You buy a new jacket. A different brand and model.
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You buy a new jacket. A different brand and model.
Which is what I'm doing (because I can't afford Simms stuff), I'm still thinking of sending it back and see what they say
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Anyone need a cheap back-up or spare (rain jacket), Frogg Toggs has one on sale (friend uses one and says it works great) for $9.99!! (normally $29.99) - US of course.
http://www.froggtoggs.com/mens/mens-jackets-all-weather/all-purpose-mens-rain-jacket.html
Also 9.99 (change the color to black, the price changes to $9.99)
http://www.froggtoggs.com/mens/mens-jackets-all-weather/frogg-toggs-pro-lite-jacket.html
Change the color to black/red this one goes from $70 to $30
http://www.froggtoggs.com/mens/mens-jackets-all-weather/toad-rage-2-jacket.html
a few other deals there too.....
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Based upon the comments in this thread, last November I bought a Froggs Toggs Hellbender wading jacket. It got use in the light rain a few times in the past year, but in early November of this year I was fishing in a solid heavy rain for 2-3 hours. I had the hood up, the neoprene cuffs cinched tight, but both sleeves of my sweater were soaked from armpit to wrist.
I emailed Froggs Toggs, explained the circumstances and expressed my disappointment with the product. I got an immediate reply and was asked to ship the jacket back for a warranty inspection. Then a couple of days later I got a second email saying that they were just going to replace the jacket and send me a new one. They wouldn't have my size available until Spring, 2017 and would ship it out then, and was I OK with that? I was/am.
Now, we'll see what happens in the spring, but I was very impressed with the offer to replace the jacket sight unseen, and based upon my word. Heck, I even think they are going ship it to my home and save me a trip to a US freight forwarder.
Very satisfied with the unexpected level of service.
So I thought I would close the loop on this story...with an unexpected twist.
So to re-cap, in the Fall, 2016 I got quite wet in a heavy rainfall, and I expected my Froggs Toggs jacket to perform better. I inquired with their warranty department and they offered outright to send me a replacement jacket in the spring of 2017.
May 19, 2017: the jacket hadn't arrived so I sent a follow up email.
November 17, 2017: no reply so a second follow up email.
November 27, 2017: No reply, so this time I sent a my third follow up email from a different email account.
November 28, 2017: Immediate reply from Froggs Toggs
December 1, 2017 AM: after a few back and forth emails, the agent advises that she has ordered the replacement jacket.
December 1, 2017 PM: a wading jacket arrives at my front door via courier. I am stunned. How can it come from Alabama in just mere hours? I check the shipping documents. It was shipped Nov 21. So apparently it was shipped after my follow up email of Nov 17... but they were lacking on internal communication
December 1, 2017 PM: I email back the agent and reply that a jacket just arrived, and I don't need two replacement jackets, so to cancel the order for the second replacement jacket.
December 4th, 2017: the agent replies that the jacket has already been shipped. She requests when the jacket arrives to refuse the delivery.
December 18, 2017: the second jacket arrives when I am not home so it is left at the front door. Now I have two replacement jackets.
January 8, 2018 AM: I email Froggs Toggs to advise the I was unable to refuse the delivery of the second jacket and now I have it. I ask how I can return it at no cost to myself, or should I just keep it.
January 8, 2018 AM: The agent replies "Due to confusion and not being able to cancel the order and you living in Canada. It would be easier for you to keep the item"
So while I can fault Froggs Toggs for their internal communication, I can't fault them for their customer services once they got on it.
Now what on earth will I do with 3 Froggs Toggs wading jackets. One slightly used and 2 brand new :)
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I guess we finally got the answer to the age old question " how many Frogg Togg jackets does it take to keep you dry ? "
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My Frogg Togg Pilot II Guide jacket is year old and it being amazing that it kept me dry when fishing heavy rain outing. Before I always worn H H rain jacket and the rain waters always soaked through it. Love my Frogg Togg. Got through Amazon.
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