Beautiful Rod! That beats my "how many anglers does it take" hands down. But, until you come right out and say...Id better not push my luck!
I thought some forum member with a numbered name is off the debate on this thread, but if you think he will spare the chance to shame and label us bottom bouncers as snaggers, you are delusional.
I think my attempt to express my good intent and lack of ill thoughts toward others was misunderstood. Poor 4x4 knows what he was talking about.
Flossing is not snagging by DFO's definition
No one here that Ive seen disputes that. Myself, I point out that it's the SAME as snagging regardless of what the regs say because it's pretty plain to see that it's snagging. The only thing is that this snagging is very sneaky and outside the current regulations ability to enforce. Does it make this snagging any different than the snagging that the regulations can enforce? Not at all and that's the point Im trying to make. The SAME issues you have should snagging in general be legal occurs as a result of snagging. Maybe not by a select few as Gooey mentioned, but we have to be honest. It's a very high % of people who abuse this fishery. It's up to sport anglers to be able to think for themselves and not blindly follow regulations; especially when it's obvious it's just a loophole on something designed to regulate a dangerous fishing method. DFO has said as much as they can about this flossing. They CANT call it snagging themselves (although they all know it is and call it such around the coffee urn) but anyone can see they're treating it differently and are concerned with it and it's non selective nature.
QUESTION: Explain to me how this form of snagging is different even if the regs dont cover it! Isnt the intent the same? If the fish wont or cant bite, there's nothing left but to snag him!
Fishing in itself does not originate from using a hook or requiring a fish to bite
It does here.
Fish are netted, trapped, speared etc. everywhere else, including our Canadian provinces
That's everywhere else, so leave it there. Why does it have to be applied here?
Because some individuals with a fanatic and narrow point of view about sport fishing are trying to impose their twisted views on you
Trying to impose SNAGGING on sport angling and exploiting a lame loophole is pretty twisted and narrow minded to me!
So, should you turn yourself in after you have done the same in a public fishing bar? Huh Have anyone been charged for doing that while they are fishing? Should DFO officers be ticketing people for their public indecent explosure while fishing??? Do bar fishers hold their urge until they get home
Gimme a break.
I guess no one has taught you the simple trick of turning your back to everyone. And btw, that and the other examples are irrelevant to the topic.
Yes, I admit the fish may or may not bite when they are hooked in the mouth. Both you and I have no proof that when a Fraser fish is caught inside the mouth, it is done by flossing or by the fish biting it
Myself and others tested this fishery. Using
bare hooks, a decent % were caught in a very convincing manner. But again, the intent is to FLOSS or why else the long leader. If you're looking for the mystery number that apparently bite, why not shorten the leader and act on it?
Why is it fish can see somewhere else in yellowish water but not the Fraser?
Because the Fraser is B-R-O-W-N!
So, where do we begin to draw the line in this messy game about ethics of fishing? If you are not careful, you will drift towards PETA's reasoning and got trapped.
Ten years ago, PETA wouldnt have had a chance. Is shudder at the thought of one of them standing on the Keith Wilson Bridge or Peg Leg and watching the blood bath. Public support for angling will plummet. Maybe instead of trying to blame the ones trying to make it so PETA CANT do this, why not clean up our acts instead?
I'll say, I am a recreational fisherman intending to hook a fish legally for fun and for dinner, just like most life-forms which like to eat a fish, no more no less. Save your narrow and extreme points about your idealogy or biased view about fishing from those of us...
Depending on ONE argument (its legal) is pretty narrow minded to me!
I am begining to sense that behind all this shaming game is the ugly personal agenda of exclusionism - booting the majority of fishers off the river so they can enjoy their good old days of fishing with their buddies. Why this suspicision? Because they keep on saying wanting to protect fish stocks, but they said nothing about those Stuart sockeyes being sold, and turn around stomping on us who have rarely encountered a sockeye, not to say killing one. It is not about fish stocks. It is about personal bias which they try to jam down your throat.
You are most welcome in your opinions. Im not supporting anything that limits anyone from enjoying angling. I never said ONCE that YOU or anyone else cant pick up a fishing rod and utilize one of the DOZENS of methods to make a fish bite.
The nets are a different issue and you are right to be concerned about them.
But quit hiding behind them...you can be seen right through them!!! I respect your perspective on fishing Liketofish, but I feel it's the exact one that will be the demise of angling and that's why the effort to rein this in. Do you enjoy fishing where the fish bite Liketofish or is fishing about the catching? In other words, could I ever find you bar fishing or casting spoons? Im not asking so I can say you're wrong, Im just curious.
I'M SORRY TO SAY BOYS AND GIRLS THAT UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD. SO IF DFO DECIDES TO CLOSE THE RIVERS BECAUSE THEY CHOSE TO BE VAGUE ...SO BE IT
They have no choice but to be vague as I say in one way or another in every post I make! Dont blame them, blame the guys who are not cooperating and who are showing DFO that some anglers lack the ability to be responsible for THEMSELVES.
Most of the recreational bbing fishermen I talk to are thinking that the Selective Method clause may be the result of the repeated lobbying by the bar-fishing group that bbers have been hooking sockeyes before its opening, and that DFO ignores the fact that most bbers do not hook any sockeyes in early season.
Sounds like a reliable, unbiased source you have there.
DFO knows that flossing (snagging) is non selective and that's why they want it shut down. The ONLY reason these snaggers dont hook many sockeye is because there are not very many of them in the system. Dont think you guys are being selective. Thank the Laws of Probability instead.
DFO's been out on the water and they're watching for themselves. They have noted several sockeye hookups in their surveys.
Anyway, CG is right.
Nice fish btw!
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