Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Xgolfman on October 03, 2006, 01:37:16 PM
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Ok, C.G. and others that use and love drennans...or the new DNE's...unless you peg these aren't they going to let your weight go straight to the bottom? then your leader length would be (with current speed being a factor as well)...the determining factor on the height of your presentation???
I always thought this was the whole idea of it...I read Rod's post on short floating and I read in "Float fishing for steelhead" by Dave Vedder that float fishing by bottom bouncing takes into account the better of both worlds of float fishing and bottom bouncing...He said that he has friends who fish both ways...(bb with a float and short floating) and the bb's with a float tend to catch more fish...
Isn't the whole idea of drennans and any slip float to get your weight along the bottome where it ticks bottom every so often? What am I missing here???
Now that I'm trying the C.P. for Salmon as drifting an egg pattern with an indicator is essentially the same thing to me and until the coho's and chum arrive in numbers to warrant my fly rod's return..I would like to do it properly and ethically as well if that makes sense...
Finally, I've realized that on the fly side of it..when your fishing a sink tip or in my case versa tip and using and egg pattern or whatever to get it down to the bottom you are foul hooking fish this way...A guy I know blew up his 8wt on the vedder last Tuesday doing this and foul hooked a big chum in the tail....So isn't this essentially bb's as well??? and if so fly rod or not shouldn't it be considered undesirable way to fish??
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It does birdman...that's what I figured but wondered then why use Drennans?
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Drennans are more sensitive.(and more costly )
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It does birdman...that's what I figured but wondered then why use Drennans?
They've become a status symbol.... ::)
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It does birdman...that's what I figured but wondered then why use Drennans?
They've become a status symbol.... ::)
They use to be. To be in with the in crowd use Stealths, Maple Leaf ones of course. ;D ;D
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Ok, C.G. and others that use and love drennans...or the new DNE's...unless you peg these aren't they going to let your weight go straight to the bottom? then your leader length would be (with current speed being a factor as well)...the determining factor on the height of your presentation???
I always thought this was the whole idea of it...I read Rod's post on short floating and I read in "Float fishing for steelhead" by Dave Vedder that float fishing by bottom bouncing takes into account the better of both worlds of float fishing and bottom bouncing...He said that he has friends who fish both ways...(bb with a float and short floating) and the bb's with a float tend to catch more fish...
Isn't the whole idea of drennans and any slip float to get your weight along the bottome where it ticks bottom every so often? What am I missing here???
Now that I'm trying the C.P. for Salmon as drifting an egg pattern with an indicator is essentially the same thing to me and until the coho's and chum arrive in numbers to warrant my fly rod's return..I would like to do it properly and ethically as well if that makes sense...
Finally, I've realized that on the fly side of it..when your fishing a sink tip or in my case versa tip and using and egg pattern or whatever to get it down to the bottom you are foul hooking fish this way...A guy I know blew up his 8wt on the vedder last Tuesday doing this and foul hooked a big chum in the tail....So isn't this essentially bb's as well??? and if so fly rod or not shouldn't it be considered undesirable way to fish??
I think you got most of the info from Rodney's link and other posters. I think the old school method of fishing for steelhead that said unless you were bouncing along the bottom and losing tackle you would not be successful. I often wonder if tackle manufactures came up with this idea to sell their wares. ;D
Anyway the anglers that catch the majority of the steelhead these days keep their offering above the bottom by short floating although when the fish start to hold up later in the season the sweepers take a fair amount also. ::)
Forgot to address your last part, yes people that fish a fly in a certain manner will also be taking some fish by the sweeping method. Hey I like the term sweeping instead of flosssing, bottom bouncing etc.
Definition of sweeping extending over a wide range, extensive; complete, comprehensive, things swept up.
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Hi all,
when I came over here from the UK last year I brought a ton of Drenanns with me, having looked at these forums prior to moving.
However I found on the Vedder that many stretches were too "rough" for the Drennans, so it'd disapear under the "waves" on fast runs - because it was sensitive.
As a result I changed to the cheapo gibbs "foam tubes" and found them much better in fast water in that they would at least float over the waves/boils rather than going under.
I'd still use Drennans on steady flows, but I find them much less versatile than the foamies.
You guys have lots more experience than me out here but I can't see the attraction myself?
I know they are more sensitive, but that is no use if you float spends half the time of a fast run under water.
Am I missing something?
cheers,
Paul.
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If your float is spending half of the time under water I suspect you are using too much weight or too light of a float for the water you are fishing.
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Paul, if your float is doing that, either you have too much weight, or probably more likely, fishing too heavy of water. That kind of water often does not hold fish. You want to look for runs with more gentle water. Rarely do I fish water where the problem you described comes into play because there are usually not many fish sitting there!! ;) :D
Good luck and welcome to the area!
CG, sweeping...excellent! :) ;D
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Hi both FA and 2.40, thanks for the repiles.
Although I take on board what you are saying about the water conditions, when I fished Ranger Run back in July it was both fast and "choppy"
It held fish, I know because people were pulling them out around me all day! Fish were coming out of the fast water.
I needed losts of weight to get the bait down in the fast water conditions, non of my Drennans could cope, hence I used the floamies.
I think my point here is that I can't see how any 1 type of float is more sensitive than another, unless we look a quite different design.
The reason I think this is that any float (standard design) takes x amount to pull it under, the more weight we add the less it takes to go under.
But if I fish a Drennan with little enough weight to ride the waves, it is no more sensative than using a floam tude that does the same thing, they both need the same amount of weight to pull them under?
Can you see my point?
If fishing steady water with no boils/waves then the most sensitive way of fishing is to have the float only just visible, so a minimal pull will take it under. In this case the Drennans are better suited as they have a tappered top so you can get them down in the water, a floamie with a flat top doesn't supply these options.
But if you wanted a really sensitive setup for steady water we'd be using floats like Drennans with an thin bit on top that would create the tiny bouyancy to enable very sensitive bite indication with next to no resistance to the fish, as long as you spent the time to balance the setup carfully.
what do you think?
cheers,
Paul.
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I like short floating, cause everytime the float goes down it pretty much a fish every time
Ya but yours doesnt go down to often ;D ;D ;D ;D
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If you are using alot of weight to get your lure down, you would also need upgrade your float to a larger size.
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I like short floating, cause everytime the float goes down it pretty much a fish every time
Ya but yours doesnt go down to often ;D ;D ;D ;D
OuCh... :'(
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;D ;D, Well If im correct i have caught more than you this year, lots more ;D, lots lots lots more ;D
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;D
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Ya but yours doesnt go down to often ;D ;D ;D ;D
[/quote]Be careful with remarks like that as he has most likely caught more fish than a number of people on this board, including winning the annual Boxing day Steelhead Derby, something that has escaped me for 30 years. Saying that however we must all remember that catching a large number of fish is not all that important in the whole scheme of things, as well remember the way we catch them is important, if they have not bitten your offering they do not count. ;D ;D ;D
Also when we all began our working career, get married, start raising a family the opportunities to get out fishing can become limited. You then have to wait for retirement like me so you can fish every day if you choose. ;D ;D
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;D ;D Were just having fun, Catching fish is a bonus!, I just love being out on the water and casting my centerpin! Fish or no Fish, It is still a great day
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;D ;D Were just having fun, Catching fish is a bonus!, I just love being out on the water and casting my centerpin! Fish or no Fish, It is still a great day
So was I. ;D ;D ;D
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Also when we all began our working career, get married, start raising a family the opportunities to get out fishing can become limited. You then have to wait for retirement like me so you can fish every day if you choose. ;D ;D
I've only done one of those three, and that was soley to pay the rent and have money so I can go fishing :) The other two, well... I don't know, those two just don't seem worth it if I can't fish...
I did see one set of parents on the Bulkley one day, and they had a baby with them, and mom and dad would take turns watching the baby while the other one casted... Now that is teamwork!
:D
Nicole
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;D ;D I know, Thats the other good thing, forums like this can give you lots of information but also let you have fun!, I cant wait till I retire!, Hell I cant wait till I get my license!,
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Roe Kid, don't rush that, you're going to dream of those care free days in a few years ;)
Cheers,
Nicole
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;D your proboly right, But more fishing time = Good ;D
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I did see one set of parents on the Bulkley one day, and they had a baby with them, and mom and dad would take turns watching the baby while the other one casted... Now that is teamwork!
Wow!!!
why does my wife do not want to fish??? :'(
I always feel a bit guilty when I go fishing while she stays at home with the baby...
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I did see one set of parents on the Bulkley one day, and they had a baby with them, and mom and dad would take turns watching the baby while the other one casted... Now that is teamwork!
Wow!!!
why does my wife do not want to fish??? :'(
I always feel a bit guilty when I go fishing while she stays at home with the baby...
Me too, Frenchy im the same as you with the wife and baby at home alone
Before you know it you will have that baby out with you. I had mine out fishing with me when he was 3, thats why he is now such a good angler Roe Kid. ;D ;D
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;D Guess thats why im such a good angler ;D
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I don't feel guilty leaving the wife at home will I am out fishing, I just fell guilty when I leave for work and she is home with the son ;D ;D ;D ;D . I just bought him his first level wind reel and can't wait for him to learn how to use it. I am filled with envy when I see people out there fishing with their son/daughter and wish it was me. Just like when searun is out with guppy. He has taught his son so much in the years and he now has days with multipul hook ups. Now that is priceless.
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I didn't fish back then, but did the same with my son and daughters with golf, the girls weren't into it..even though they were decent..My son, he's now 18 and a 2 handicap and we won state two years ago...I miss that time with him now that I'm on my hiatus...but he's starting to show an interest in fishing so that would be really cool to have him out with me...
I DON'T feel guilty leaving my wife at home...God, I work with her all day...fishing is my reprieve.. :D :D
Roe kid, ask Chris how fast time will pass...at your age it seemed to drag on forever..now I'm sitting here watching one kids graduate this year and wondering how the hell that happened..seemed like a snap of the fingers and I was getting him out of trouble in kindergarden...
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planning to retire is bad !!
planning to work with lots of holiday and not stressed urself over work == good