Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: fic on March 08, 2017, 08:47:46 PM
-
The kids are starting spring break Monday for 2 weeks in Vancouver.
-
I'd look at historical stocking reports (http://www.gofishbc.com/stocked-fish.aspx#fish-stocking) and make my own guess. But not til mid April would be where I'd put my money. Could take them to one of the hatcheries like out in Abbotsford?
-
Stockings are postponed until the weather and lake conditions improve.
-
Too bad no move to fix Trout lake in Vancouver, Sardis Pond in Chilliwack or even Latimer lake in Surrey. Witht he growing population we sure could use more city fisheries.....
-
We already have a good amount of stocked lakes around. The docks get busy but there are always plenty of spots around the lakes and it's not uncommon to even be alone some days. Personally I don't see why waste resources on more lakes that could be spent elsewhere. As it is there are still fish in all of the stocked lakes from last year.
Helping these lakes that were once stocked lakes would not be a case of wasting resources? For example Sardis pond was once an urban pond in Chilliwack stocked regularly that I believe was age controlled. This allowed easy access for kids and elders to participate in a resource they loved but maybe couldn't make it to some of the other lakes and rivers Chilliwack has to offer.
Many years has passed since its last stocking, probably associated with poor water conditions that in the recent past has been anything but sad. Too many ducks, geese and not enough care taken to help in flow and out flow issue creating Ph issues.
Latimer Pond is another one which has been neglected, probably more for Industrial growth than anything. I have fond memories of using my first flyrod and float tube on this lake MANY years ago. Drove through there last year and I couldn't even tell there was a lake in there anymore.
In my opinion it is never a waste of resources in establishing local fishery's for youth and elders who reside locally. You may have the luxury of being able commute ( I assume ) to these stocked lakes, but not everyone does. I totally understand things cost money, and stocking our lakes or helping our urban lakes are no exception, but some of them have certainly been forgot about and in my opinion it sure would go along way if we could reinstate some of these local urban fishery's to help us fisherman sustain our dwindling numbers.
-
There are native lakes, but YES many were stocked.
-
Trout are easy to catch, which is the reason make trout game fish. Carp and catfish requires long waiting and patience to catch. I guess that is why they are not appreciated here. There are plenty of carps in Deer lake. However, to catch one is not that easy.
-
If you want to know when stocking will be done just call the Fraser Valley hatchery and ask.
I had my dad call last week and he was told March 21/22 is their projected days however lake temp could delay it further
-
I know I will probably be called out for HERESY .... but here goes my thoughts:
I WISH the "Landlocked lakes" were stocked with more diversity of fish.
- Bass
Catfish
Panfish
Pike
Carp
No.... I'm not trying to have the Lower Mainland overridden with "Invasive Species"....
I've been fishing for almost 50 years now in (3) provinces - BC, ONT, and Alberta.
I've seen land locked lakes that have the diversity of these fish ....become really nice Fishing Destinations for both young and old alike.
I certainly appreciate the STOCKING of RAINBOW TROUT that currently takes place. However, these are NON BREEDING FISH (TRIPLOID). Between the Fishermen and Cormorants ... the trout get gone pretty quickly.
For CHILDREN.... it's so much better when there are NUMEROUS OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE. They (and me...lol) Don't care what kind of fish they catch as long as they are catching.
MILL LAKE has lots of diversity. Wish the others were similar.
Just my thoughts!
ps: I will always here from those who will say that: "The Trout are a native species and the others are not". Well ... let's make it clear that the "Trout" have been introduced to these lakes and are NOT NATIVE to them. The other species suggested.... seem to be able to reproduce on their own.. and create a little eco-system of their own.
Why don't you talk to dfo and see what they say.
-
I know I will probably be called out for HERESY .... but here goes my thoughts:
I WISH the "Landlocked lakes" were stocked with more diversity of fish.
- Bass
Catfish
Panfish
Pike
Carp
No.... I'm not trying to have the Lower Mainland overridden with "Invasive Species"....
I've been fishing for almost 50 years now in (3) provinces - BC, ONT, and Alberta.
I've seen land locked lakes that have the diversity of these fish ....become really nice Fishing Destinations for both young and old alike.
I certainly appreciate the STOCKING of RAINBOW TROUT that currently takes place. However, these are NON BREEDING FISH (TRIPLOID). Between the Fishermen and Cormorants ... the trout get gone pretty quickly.
For CHILDREN.... it's so much better when there are NUMEROUS OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE. They (and me...lol) Don't care what kind of fish they catch as long as they are catching.
MILL LAKE has lots of diversity. Wish the others were similar.
Just my thoughts!
ps: I will always here from those who will say that: "The Trout are a native species and the others are not". Well ... let's make it clear that the "Trout" have been introduced to these lakes and are NOT NATIVE to them. The other species suggested.... seem to be able to reproduce on their own.. and create a little eco-system of their own.
There are native species other than fish that inhabit our lakes, our amphibian friends (some red and blue listed) might not fair so well...
-
many of our local lakes have some of those species already - true catfish (there are stinging brown bullhead) and pike (excepting Mill Lake) are the only species that are absent.
-
and pike (excepting Mill Lake) are the only species that are absent.
;D ;D ;D
-
you mean northern pike.....like those up north. ive caught bass, sunfish....the odd crappie and trout out of mill lake. Never heard of pike caught out of there...got any proof like a pic. ::)
-
you mean northern pike.....like those up north. ive caught bass, sunfish....the odd crappie and trout out of mill lake. Never heard of pike caught out of there...got any proof like a pic. ::)
Good grief, please don't get this conversation started again ::)
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=36329.0
Besides, I think Rieber proved it definitively already. What "it" means is open to interpretation though ;)
-
Just like the Lake Trout in Alouette Lake.
-
Just like the Lake Trout in Alouette Lake.
Do some homework on those Damien ;)
-
Rice Lake is mostly covered with ice. Not stocked yet.
-
Do some homework on those Damien
One pic is all it will take to prove it. Not some old stocking 'records'.
Good luck.
-
Firebird?
-
Firebird posted a picture a while back of a Lake trout captured from Allouette Lake ... he may or may not repost it. In the meantime here is another post from FWR regarding these fish.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=31388.0
I am curious however why stocking records aren't proof enough these fish weren't at least at one time present?
Northern Pike in Mill Lake ... just some fun a few regulars are having ;D
-
Amazing what you find when you search the web
no mention of pike minnow but steelhead ???
Species in Mill Lake:
Black Crappie, Brown Bullhead, Catfish (General), Cutthroat Trout, Cutthroat Trout (Anadromous), Goldfish, Pumpkinseed, Rainbow Trout, Steelhead, Largemouth Bass
-
Firebird posted a picture a while back of a Lake trout captured from Allouette Lake ... he may or may not repost it.
I've been having problems posting photos stored on OneDrive using the img tool. If this doesn't work, I'll have to use the hyperlink. This is the lake char caught in Alouette in Sept 1999, measuring 96cm and weighing 12kg.
(https://1drv.ms/i/s!AuXiKvW-aydmjDdy6ioFdCaVTTFr)
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AuXiKvW-aydmjDdy6ioFdCaVTTFr (https://1drv.ms/i/s!AuXiKvW-aydmjDdy6ioFdCaVTTFr)
Here's a link to 1967 and 1968 memos (3 pages total) about lake trout stocking.
https://1drv.ms/b/s!AuXiKvW-aydmjDlLLr-fYGsYeATD (https://1drv.ms/b/s!AuXiKvW-aydmjDlLLr-fYGsYeATD)
And a 1969 memo following up on a 1968 stocking.
https://1drv.ms/b/s!AuXiKvW-aydmjDj-pwsXf4v0TzsW (https://1drv.ms/b/s!AuXiKvW-aydmjDj-pwsXf4v0TzsW)
And here's BC Fisheries Biologist Greg Wilson with a laker caught in a gill netting project in 2004. This was taken across the lake from Gold Creek where they used to keep the net pens.
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AuXiKvW-aydmjDYHoUf1dzscpFuH (https://1drv.ms/i/s!AuXiKvW-aydmjDYHoUf1dzscpFuH)
-
I've been having problems posting photos stored on OneDrive using the img tool. If this doesn't work, I'll have to use the hyperlink. This is the lake char caught in Alouette in Sept 1999, measuring 96cm and weighing 12kg.
(https://1drv.ms/i/s!AuXiKvW-aydmjDdy6ioFdCaVTTFr)
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AuXiKvW-aydmjDdy6ioFdCaVTTFr (https://1drv.ms/i/s!AuXiKvW-aydmjDdy6ioFdCaVTTFr)
Here's a link to a 1967 memo about lake trout stocking.
https://1drv.ms/b/s!AuXiKvW-aydmjDlLLr-fYGsYeATD (https://1drv.ms/b/s!AuXiKvW-aydmjDlLLr-fYGsYeATD)
And a 1969 memo following up on a 1968 stocking.
https://1drv.ms/b/s!AuXiKvW-aydmjDj-pwsXf4v0TzsW (https://1drv.ms/b/s!AuXiKvW-aydmjDj-pwsXf4v0TzsW)
And here's BC Fisheries Biologist Greg Wilson with a laker caught in a gill netting project in 2004. This was taken across the lake from Gold Creek where they used to keep the net pens.
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AuXiKvW-aydmjDYHoUf1dzscpFuH (https://1drv.ms/i/s!AuXiKvW-aydmjDYHoUf1dzscpFuH)
So the fish was caught back to 2004. I was there last sunday paddling around the sound end shallow area. From my fish finder down image, I saw clearly large fish image just like lake trout hogging close to the bottom around 45 feet deep. Unfortunately my Type 3 sinking line was not efficiently reaching that deep.
-
So the fish was caught back to 2004. I was there last sunday paddling around the sound end shallow area. From my fish finder down image, I saw clearly large fish image just like lake trout hogging close to the bottom around 45 feet deep. Unfortunately my Type 3 sinking line was not efficiently reaching that deep.
I would put my money on it being bull trout. There is a small, well fed population with mature fish upwards of 70cm in length.
-
Well, I stand corrected. Should those pics be legit. :D
-
Back some time, as in 20 to 25 years, MOE stocked "surplus" steelhead smolts in a number of lakes. Another lake that did get some was Spider near Qualicum Lake and I talked to locals there about 20+ inch fish being caught for a few years. The reason those fish may have gotten bigger is that steelhead live a year or 2 longer than FV domestics that are used to stock most lakes in the FV and on the ISland.
Back in the 60s Mill was said to grow trout up to about 5lbs and my father and I did catch a couple in the 2 to 3lb range.
-
Looking at previous years stocking reports and it appears that Mill lake in addition to catchable sized triploids has also been the recipient of various staged rainbows.
9,000 fry in 2016, 4,500 fingerling in 2014, and 4,000 fry in 2011.
Was/is the FFSBC using Mill as a test case to see how viable a strategy that is? Or some other purpose? It's not something we generally see amongst LML put-and-take lakes.
Just curious if there is anything to indicate how the survivablity of these small fish panned out or if they just likely became bass food.
-
Surplus fish from the hatchery otherwise would have been disposed.
-
Surplus fish from the hatchery otherwise would have been disposed.
Will they be slurped by bass?
-
Will they be slurped by bass?
Sure, the Bass, Crappie and Catfish will all take advantage of hatchery fry. Survival rate is surely to be very low but why not drop in surplus Fry. Maybe due to the numbers, there are some fish that survive to grow large enough to be caught and kept.
I see a decent number of minnows and fry in the lake during the summer months but I would surprised if they were trout. I believe them to be Bass or Crappie but hopefully I'm wrong.
I don't know if it's just the natural cycles but volume of the chironomid hatches sure seem to be getting smaller ever year. Maybe the population of Bass and Crappie has reached a point where they and the Trout are sucking up more of the bugs - so much so that it's visually noticeable.
Sure is nice to have hatchery enhanced lakes here.
-
Maybe due to the numbers, there are some fish that survive to grow large enough to be caught and kept.
Catchable hatchery raised fish are usually readily identified by ragged and/or stunted fins and such from the hatchery environment. You seem to fish Mill a lot, have you ever landed one that looked healthy enough that it might have grown 'naturally' from the fry/fingerling stage in the lake?
-
Oh I've caught many mint condition trout from Mill Lake that you would never think were factory fish. I've also caught a ton of fish with nibbled or missing fins or quite deformed bodies and fins. Still fun to catch on a 3 and 4 wts.
-
Mill was stocked today.
-
Mill was stocked today.
Nice - what is the stocking report - Size and quantity?
-
Green Timbers in Surrey and Sanctuary Pond at Hastings Park are stocked today.
-
Lafarge was stocked today according to second hand sources ;)
-
Any news on Rice?
-
Lafarge and Como were stocked today according to Go Fish BC's FB page. Rice appears to be delayed due to ice still lingering around.
-
Is Rice lake ice free?
-
I was there on sunday,it was ice free,not even a bite for couple of hours l was there.
-
Buntzen, Sasamat and Rice were stocked today.