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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: wildmanyeah on October 17, 2018, 06:14:42 PM
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Some happy steelhead out their today
FN1161-Salmon - Fraser River Chum Update - October 17, 2018
In-season estimates of abundance for Fraser River chum are based on catch
information provided by the Albion test fishery. Using Albion test fishery data
through October 17th, the current median estimate for the terminal Fraser River
chum return is 793,000 chum, with a 50% migration date of October 18th. There
is an 80% probability that the run is between 658,000 and 951,000, and a 47%
probability that the run will exceed the escapement goal of 800,000.
The current run size is not sufficient to allow for commercial opportunities in
the Fraser River.
Opportunities to harvest chum salmon will be constrained by management
objectives for Interior Fraser steelhead, which is a stock of concern presently
co-migrating in the Fraser River. Harvest opportunities in all fisheries will
be planned to minimize impacts on these stocks, as outlined in the 2018 South
Coast Salmon Integrated Fisheries Management Plan (IFMP). Fishers are required
to take every measure possible to ensure that their fishing activities avoid
impacts on steelhead. Any steelhead encountered must be released with the least
possible harm.
While no additional in-season updates are planned at this time, we will
continue to closely monitor chum catch at the Albion test fishery over the
coming days. Should new data indicate the need to update the current run size
and timing estimate, additional updates will be provided.
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That's good news for the steelhead. This weekends up coming gill net fishery isnt......
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What about FN ?
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https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CommunalOpeningTimes.html
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The only thing I’ll add is be careful what you wish for when in comes to FSC fisheries. If you think closing them down will mean business as usual in Fraser tributaries will happen I doubt it.
Eather the Tribs will close to sports fishing or you will be sharing KWB with some seine nets.
It’s a pretty blunt instrument that DFO has to work with when it comes to closing FSC.
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They already fish the harrison. Not to mention the fn are givin access to the fish returning to the hatcheries. The supreme court has already ruled conservation is number 1 priority so the dfo just needs to enforce it. Just limit the fisheries during the closer and stop with the gill nets
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They already fish the harrison. Not to mention the fn are givin access to the fish returning to the hatcheries. The supreme court has already ruled conservation is number 1 priority so the dfo just needs to enforce it. Just limit the fisheries during the closer and stop with the gill nets
If a full closure for conservation is something that you would like to see happen DFO is doing consultations right now.
Here is what it would look like:http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/species-especes/consultations/steelheadtrout-saumonarcenciel/index-eng.html
(https://i.imgur.com/n87S8ZN.png)
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I would be more then ok with a closure like that as long as it was applied to everyone. We all need to sacrifice for the future. I would be ok with a complete cycle closure for everything on the main stem fraser if it meant more fishing for the future.
Even reduce limits in half. And actually set a quota on fn fishing and give them the choice fsc fishery or economic but not both. How the system is set up now where they fish 3 days of the week under fsc fishery sliding into economic opportunity. Where do you think all the fish go?? Then they say they havent got enough food. 1 or the other choose.
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Some members have claimed that the fall FN chum fishery is responsible for the apparent drop in chum returns over the last several years.
Is the FN takes excessive? To date in a year when the chum return is estimated at about 800k, FN reports are that about 13,000 fish have been harvested. That's less than 2%
Last year when the return was well over a million the FN take was 158,575. Well under 20% of the estimated return.
Gee don't we wish the sockeye returns were harvested at a similar level - well they are by all segments of FN harvest including 'economic opportunities'. This year they took 588k when the total return was 12 million or about 5%. Man talk about over harvest and 'salmon genocide'.
Of course some will argue they are lying. Well of course they are lying but then so are you! Even if the numbers were doubled they still amount to a pretty small % of the total run and a distant 2nd in overall harvest.
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Their numbers ralph dont include the fish they toss up on the beach to die nor do their numbers represent the numbers of eggs destroyed my friend the beach seine nets continually drag through the fresh reds. You have no idea what your even talking about.
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Is the FN takes excessive? To date in a year when the chum return is estimated at about 800k, FN reports are that about 13,000 fish have been harvested. That's less than 2%
Last year when the return was well over a million the FN take was 158,575. Well under 20% of the estimated return.
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Don't forget these are all females. What do the percentages work out to be when throwing a factor like that into the equation?
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Don't forget these are all females. What do the percentages work out to be when throwing a factor like that into the equation?
I only like to talk about real numbers and not products of other people's imagination.
In the commercial chum fishery that goes on over all coastal BC they often have trouble finding buyers for male chum but mostly they do - at least according to people I've talked to involved.
The numbers reported via DFO would have to be blown up several times to even approach the level of damage some people claim and that leaves such claims lacking credibility.
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I only like to talk about real numbers and not products of other people's imagination.
In the commercial chum fishery that goes on over all coastal BC they often have trouble finding buyers for male chum but mostly they do - at least according to people I've talked to involved.
The numbers reported via DFO would have to be blown up several times to even approach the level of damage some people claim and that leaves such claims lacking credibility.
That has to be a cozy rock you live under Ralph.
By your own words we are talking about FN reported catch, not commercial catch which is a whole different ball of wax. We all know the Beach seine Chum fishery is a Roe fishery. The Beach seine was introduced as a means to sort not only unwanted bi-catch of other species, but unwanted male chum. If you believe different than you must live under a rock.
I am not saying the commercial sector is any better, and have no doubt there are buyers for male chum, just as there is for the female chum that hold the same value as the male fish. Lets not try to value the females any differently than the males, as the roe is sold to a totally different market with out any prejudice were the fish goes to market. Once chum get to market they are not treated differently. Roe on the other hand.............
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living under a rock? Great real, I know about beach seining and I know that most of the value from chum fishery is the roe. What you wrote is a product of your imagination which is mostly if anyone like me doesn't agree that the product of your imagination is a reality you must [insert insult put down of your choice]. If roe is so bad let's ban it's use as bait? Maybe lets allow only retention of male chum for sport anglers?
Chances of stopping the roe fisheries for Chum and herring from your soap box here is zero.
BTW Sage 2106 I do know what I am talking about which had nothing to do with you or the particular issue you have reported. I don't support dumping by-catch to rot and I don't support beach seining on spawning grounds. What you proposed seem reasonable to me.
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living under a rock? Great real, I know about beach seining and I know that most of the value from chum fishery is the roe. What you wrote is a product of your imagination which is mostly if anyone like me doesn't agree that the product of your imagination is a reality you must [insert insult put down of your choice]. If roe is so bad let's ban it's use as bait? Maybe lets allow only retention of male chum for sport anglers?
Chances of stopping the roe fisheries for Chum and herring from your soap box here is zero.
BTW Sage 2106 I do know what I am talking about which had nothing to do with you or the particular issue you have reported. I don't support dumping by-catch to rot and I don't support beach seining on spawning grounds. What you proposed seem reasonable to me.
Please Ralph what is it I am imagining?
Is it the fact DFO and has no grasp on the actual numbers of harvested chum? Is it the fact DFO has no real data since the mid 1990's that takes in account for female roe exploitation? Is it the fact DFO can't even use their own study's to properly manage this chum fishery where this years return of 800,000 fish are thought to be excessive? http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/192607.pdf (last page tells a good story)
If my imagination is telling me that DFO needs to look at the roe fishery in a way it has not in the past then yes you are correct. This is the only study I could find on salmon roe fisheries, maybe its time for a new look into actual numbers harvested now, http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/16699.pdf (pages 1, 19,20) If my imagination tells me its time to gather actual numbers reported by putting more boots to the ground rather relying on "reported catches" then yes you are correct.
"If roe is so bad let's ban it's use as bait? Maybe lets allow only retention of male chum for sport anglers?"
I wonder Ralph, why is it you always turn this subject and many others into a recreational issue, when in your own words you "know that most of the value from chum fishery is the roe"
Anglers have proven we can carry on the practice of fishing with out the need for Chum roe. We already have regulations in place for such things. Chum roe is obviously a commodity for sport fisherman, but we are not using 1000's maybe 10's of 1000's of it a season. http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/16699.pdf
I will not carry on this conversation any further, instead I will insult myself by climbing under my own rock burying my head in the sand beneath it.
Some reading for those interested in coming up with their own imaginary thoughts.
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/16699.pdf
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/chum-salmon-runs-record-levels-1.3837854
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/192607.pdf
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We need to take our fish away from the dfo. As soon as they get out of the tidal waters tell them to pound salt we will look after them. Lets put this is basic math lets say the dfo says 100 chum past mission. Fn beach seine says they harvested 10. But they also threw 10 up onto the beach beacuse they were already depositing single eggs and dont wanna deal with them again. Now we are down to 80 but the seine nets dragging through the reds destroys another 10 chums spawn. Now we are down to 70 which doesnt include predators poaching or sports harvest. Now lets base this over say the last dozen years of beach seining... hmmm every year less and less fish return kinda of a head scratcher isnt it
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Maybe time for a another poll? ;D
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Ralph is only fooling himself if he thinks FN are accurately reporting their catch for any species of fish. It’s not a figment of anyone’s imagination but his own.
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. Now lets base this over say the last dozen years of beach seining... hmmm every year less and less fish return kinda of a head scratcher isnt it
yet if we compare recent returns, 2016 & 17 these are higher than most of the years from 1951 to 1993 per some of the links to papers STS provided. 2016 was the highest on record.
Doesn't quite fit with your claim beach seines are destroying the run. In fact if look at most of the runs in the table of: http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/192607.pdf on pg 23, most of the runs are lower than this year's return of about 800k.
That spawning capacity of the lower Fraser System has been increased to about 2 million thanks to the DFO administered SEP of the 70s and 80s it could be argued chum have been over enhanced and that has lead to higher exploitation which has contributed to putting IF coho and steelhead in peril.
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Your going off a cbc report from what the dfo said was the biggest return? Same as the huge return of late run sockeye this year that didnt materialize? Yep your right if the cbc says its a bumper year it must have been. Go actually spend some time out on the river and see what actually goes on.
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There’s a reason literally everyone who spends more then 2 days a week on the river has the opposite opinion to Ralph. He’s the white knight for DFO and all the sheep that buy into all the garbage they spew. Baaaaaaaaaaa🐑
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While I’m no advocate for what Ralph has to share, I wouldn’t dispel everything he has to say as pure heresy. I’ve watched the beach seines for both pinks and chum and know how they are done and while one could argue that it has a detrimental effect on spawning salmon by way of redd destruction, the same can be said for nearly any action on the river during a spawn. Maybe not to the same scale, but everything has a cumulative effect.
Chum salmon create a paradox in that they are extremely important to the lower portions of many river systems in the biomass the contribute but are also extremely valuable for their roe. I’ve seen it on the Kitimat where a heavily subsidized chum hatchery program led to a substantial commercial fishery and I’ve never heard nor seen the numbers recover to what they once were.
So I do believe their is a relationship between the SEP’s artificially enhancing the number beyond what is naturally sustaining and that there is a negative effect on comigrating salmon/steelhead because of this.
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Your going off a cbc report from what the dfo said was the biggest return? Same as the huge return of late run sockeye this year that didnt materialize? Yep your right if the cbc says its a bumper year it must have been. Go actually spend some time out on the river and see what actually goes on.
..and you are asking other people to rely on you?
I do spend time on the local rivers particularly in the fall - 2 to 3 times a week. Grew up by a salmon spawning stream.
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I think we're due for another poll if Ralph should be put in silence mode for a bit.
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Im not asking people to rely on me im stating what ive seen with my own eyes. The dfo has no true numbers on anything anymore cause they have no boots on the ground and go off historical data. But like i said they dont take into account what actually happens on the river so they are always basing their estimates on the high end and are continually coming up short. How about the year the million sockeye made it past mission but disapeared somewhere past that but no one can figure it out? The fraser stocks took a nose dive as soon as they allowed gill nets to be drifted and fish to be ripped off their reds in a selective fishery. The strong fish with the stkngest genes will swim in the stongest current drifted gill net wipes them out. The rec sector has been shut out and curtailed for years. My dad said bar fishing years ago they were allowed to run 2 leaders off 1 rod. Then we went to 1 leader treble hooks. Then we were reduced to single hook and then single barbless with intermittent bait bans. Fn went from set nest only from friday night to sunday night to drifting 300 600 and even 1000 foot gill nets for days even weeks on end yet we are the first ones shut down? 1986 the rec sector was closed to retaining wild steelhead on the fraser yet the nets kept on going and increasingly got worse yet we pay the consequences. I dont care they shut us down but they need to shut down the true monster of the river. The chum are the life blood of all our fish so once theyre gone everything will be gone. I pay to fish i have i limit what i pay to fish helps put money back into the resource yet other group's take and dont put anything back. Why do the hatchery coho returning get loaded into totes and givin to fn? Why not let the hatchery sell off those fish and put the money back i to the hatchery? Oh wait thats common sense cant have that in this day and age now can we
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Beach seining has been around since the 90s. It was introduced as a selective method for FNs during the fall IF coho shut down and have been in place since at least 2003.
Suddenly in 2018 when the Fraser closure is extended by 2 1/2 weeks and everybody goes ballistic beach seining - mostly ignored to this point - becomes a hot button issue and the cause of the collapse of everything except maybe Western Civilization. Is it coincidence or something else?
Something else is my guess.
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Beach seining has been around since the 90s. It was introduced as a selective method for FNs during the fall IF coho shut down and have been in place since at least 2003.
Suddenly in 2018 when the Fraser closure is extended by 2 1/2 weeks and everybody goes ballistic beach seining - mostly ignored to this point - becomes a hot button issue and the cause of the collapse of everything except maybe Western Civilization. Is it coincidence or something else?
Something else is my guess.
Sports fishing groups choose to work with first nation groups over the last 10 years rather then launch a public campaign against them that seems to be materializing now. Beach Seining was not being ignored and everyone knew this was happening but the sports fishing groups were largely okay with it when sportfishing on the river was open. Sportsfishing groups were largely silencing there members over this is. They would say things like "yes we have seen this happen but this is only done by a few bad apples and we have seen the beach seine fisheries and they are selective. I brought this issue up before with the Fraser river peacekeepers and SFAC and that was pretty much what I was told.
When DFO closed sportfishing for conservation reasons but kept beach seine open then this was a big shot in the gut to the sports fishing groups who have been working tirelessly behind the scenes with DFO,First Nations to keep selective fishing open for all.
Over this same time period a lot of people managing the fisheries in DFO have retired and a lot of the First Nations Chiefs are no longer Chiefs.
as you pointed out in a different thread all over north america is also seeing this change in management.
Our sports fishing groups want a round table process similar to the ones that are in Nootka Sound and Port Alberni. Everyone fishes or no one fishes. altho that model is more a harvest agreement then a conservation one that promotes increased returns in the years to come.
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Ralph i love how you tey to spin this into a racist issue every chance you get. If it helps you sleep any better my cousin is a member of the cheam band and i work with a member of the cheam band so i get alot of my information first hand. My issue is if the river is closed for conservation for 1 its closed for all. I could call what the dfo is doing now racist against me because im not fn.
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I could call what the dfo is doing now racist against me because im not fn.
But you wouldn't call it that because then we'd laugh at you because that's not how racism works ;D
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Ralph i love how you tey to spin this into a racist issue every chance you get. If it helps you sleep any better my cousin is a member of the cheam band and i work with a member of the cheam band so i get alot of my information first hand. My issue is if the river is closed for conservation for 1 its closed for all. I could call what the dfo is doing now racist against me because im not fn.
I didn't say racism though there certainly is racism involved. Historically there's been a lot of racism against FNs.
Resentment is another r word and almost every socio-economic study shows people tend to evaluate how well they are doing relative to others within a reference group not society as a whole. There is no doubt FNs have won more than they have lost over the last few decades. They gotten a larger share of a shrinking pie; the pie being both the total fish return and the access to fishing opportunities.
There could issues with reporting, selective methods not applied as they should be, waste but there really isn't a lot of hard evidence to support it. Generating resentment tends to undermine confidence in traditional measures. DFO's reliance on broad probability estimates (just read the estimate above the stated probability range is about 50% of the minimum run estimate) and not on actual counting introduces the very uncertainty that probability tries to express. For most people that's hard to grasp and on the face of it looks unreliable.
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Guess I’m on his ignor list
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Guess I’m on his ignor list
Trust, me. You'll actually appreciate being on his ignore list....I know I do.
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Fitting for the topic at hand.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-bureaucrats-express-concern-about-bc-salmon-stock-tracking/?utm_source=Watershed+Watch+Email+List&utm_campaign=c2d8adfac0-SALMON_NEWS_2018_08_29_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_405944b1b5-c2d8adfac0-460109645&mc_cid=c2d8adfac0&mc_eid=b6af30d9a9
The result, he said, is that DFO is often “guessing” about what returns and spawning might be.
“A lack of data means a lack of good management,”
Wow, sure glad someone has figured it out ::)
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Fitting for the topic at hand.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-bureaucrats-express-concern-about-bc-salmon-stock-tracking/?utm_source=Watershed+Watch+Email+List&utm_campaign=c2d8adfac0-SALMON_NEWS_2018_08_29_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_405944b1b5-c2d8adfac0-460109645&mc_cid=c2d8adfac0&mc_eid=b6af30d9a9
The result, he said, is that DFO is often “guessing” about what returns and spawning might be.
“A lack of data means a lack of good management,”
Wow, sure glad someone has figured it out ::)
I made related comments in my last post; run estimates are made in the form of broad probability distributions.
The main data points used for chum looks to be the Albion Test fishery.
One also have to consider that like all government operations FOC/DFO has to work within it's allocated resources which are insufficient to meet monitoring requirements which seems to be appreciated by the directors who expressed such concerns in writing;
Area directors wrote that they appreciate that under-resourcing is not simply because of reduced science funding in recent years, but the result of “eroded regional funding” from various sources over the past 15 years.
as noted in the article.
Guess I’m on his ignor list
Not you. Thanks for your interesting observations and comments. Particularly this one:
Sportsfishing groups were largely silencing there members over this is. They would say things like "yes we have seen this happen but this is only done by a few bad apples and we have seen the beach seine fisheries and they are [largely]selective. I brought this issue up before with the Fraser river peacekeepers and SFAC and that was pretty much what I was told.
In other words the various sport fishing groups acknowledged the beach seine operations operate as intended with some exceptions Recall I said much the same and people who see these exceptions should report them.
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I made related comments in my last post; run estimates are made in the form of broad probability distributions.
Well I suppose you are ahead of the curve as usual Ralph............ ::)
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DFO lost so much in the way of funding during the Harper years it seems almost cruel to blame the department for not being able to do its job well now. There were two rounds of deep cuts, about 4 years apart that ripped apart the workforce and, as a bonus, decimated morale. They now do the best they can but, without proper funding, it's become much more difficult. I hate to see people blame the effect and not the cause ;)
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Well I suppose you are ahead of the curve as usual Ralph............ ::)
...there is a better than 50% probability I am ahead of the curve. There is an 80% probability that I am somewhere between 20% behind the curve and 75% ahead of it, plus or minus 5%, 19 times out of 20.
There that's all clear now!
Funding cuts to DFO started to happen during the Chretien years. The salmon resource, at least as a commercial operation, is being managed as a sunset industry. They don't expect it to last. It doesn't pay for the public cost of it's management and maintenance.
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Ralph is this your favourite thread?
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Funding cuts to DFO started to happen during the Chretien years. The salmon resource, at least as a commercial operation, is being managed as a sunset industry. They don't expect it to last. It doesn't pay for the public cost of it's management and maintenance.
DFO lost so much in the way of funding during the Harper years it seems almost cruel to blame the department for not being able to do its job well now. There were two rounds of deep cuts, about 4 years apart that ripped apart the workforce and, as a bonus, decimated morale. They now do the best they can but, without proper funding, it's become much more difficult. I hate to see people blame the effect and not the cause ;)
Still happening today more cuts coming....
(https://i.imgur.com/ycOSonD.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/5rMFeOf.png)
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I have to agree with RalpH on this. It does seem like they are managing a sunset industry. It sure seems like they operate with that in mind.
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Seems like the Chum Collapse of 2018 is not only in the Fraser. Blob killed the chums maybe, like they did to the pinks and coho last year?
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FN1169-COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Mid Vancouver Island Chum Update - October 19, 2018
Escapement estimates to date are as follows:
Puntledge River, October 17 - 7,000 chum - Target Escapement 60,000
Big Qualicum River, October 17 - 32 chum - Target Escapement 85,000
Little Qualicum River, October 16 - 563 chum - Target Escapement 85,000
At this time no commercial fishing opportunities are anticipated in the
upcoming week as the observed escapement needs to be at least 65% of the target
before fisheries will be considered.
Areas 17, 18, and 19
Escapement estimates to date are as follows:
Nanaimo River, October 17 - 8,200 - Target Escapement 40,000
Chemainus River, October 11 - 2,500 - Target Escapement 50,000
Cowichan River, October 17 - 9,800 - Target Escapement 160,000
Goldstream River, October 17 - 32 - Target Escapement 15,000
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This Is sure a funny looking blob, when I see shot like this sure makes you wonder about ocean survival rates
http://www.ktva.com/story/38490430/80-tons-of-salmon-seized-from-chinese-fishing-vessel
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ategory(s): ABORIGINAL - Salmon: Economic Opportunities
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Gill Net
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Seine
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Troll
Subject: FN1179-Salmon - Fraser River Chum Update - October 22, 2018
In-season estimates of abundance for Fraser River Chum are based on catch
information provided by the Albion test fishery. Using Albion test fishery data
through October 21, the current median estimate for the terminal Fraser River
Chum return is 769,000 Chum, with a 50% migration date of October 18. There is
an 80% probability that the run is between 659,000 and 894,000, and a 36%
probability that the run will exceed the escapement goal of 800,000.
The current run size is not sufficient to allow for commercial or recreational
opportunities in the Fraser River.
Opportunities to harvest Chum salmon will be constrained by management
objectives for Interior Fraser steelhead, which is a stock of concern presently
co-migrating in the Fraser River. Harvest opportunities in all fisheries will
be planned to minimize impacts on these stocks, as outlined in the 2018 South
Coast Salmon Integrated Fisheries Management Plan (IFMP). Fishers are required
to take every measure possible to ensure that their fishing activities avoid
impacts on steelhead. Any steelhead encountered must be released with the least
possible harm.
While no additional in-season updates are planned at this time, we will
continue to closely monitor Chum catch at the Albion test fishery over the
coming days. Should new data indicate the need to update the current run size
and timing estimate, additional updates will be provided.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Contact the nearest Fisheries and Oceans Canada office or visit our website at
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca.
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN1179
Sent October 22, 2018 at 1616
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https://youtu.be/W1GewiwBG5c
And we wonder whats happening to our salmon?
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A lot of DFO's regulations doesn't make any sense.
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Isn't this a lot like closing the stable door after the horse bolted?
DFO allows the commercial fishermen to thin them out to below the threshold for in-river retention. Suddenly they're shut and everyone cries no fair. Pretty sad to see about the illegal driftnetting in the ocean but methinks those poor chaps are just the unlucky ones to get caught....... >:(
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thanks Sage2106, it's nice to get a FN perspective which is pretty rare on a 'Sportie' site though not that different than some anglers.
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Chum (and pink) abundance is low all along the Coast
MidIsland (Qualicum Puntledge): https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=215320&ID=all
Haida Gwaii: https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=215320&ID=all
Bella Coola Central Coast: https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=214943&ID=all
Johnstone Straight: https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=215015&ID=all
Bute Inlet (Orford River): https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=213399&ID=all
dam those Fraser Beach Seine's get everywhere! ;D
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thanks Sage2106, it's nice to get a FN perspective which is pretty rare on a 'Sportie' site though not that different than some anglers.
Thanks Ralph you make me laugh everyday.
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Thanks Ralph you make me laugh everyday.
Then, why would you want to give someone a time out who brings you your daily dose of joy?
Maybe time for a another poll? ;D
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I was going start a pole because I think he could start his own site. “Fishing with Ralph”
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10 of 15 total posts in the last few weeks. It would seem someone has a bizarre infatuation with some of the things I write.
LOL
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I do Ralph,your post are good, I’m scared to have opinion on things because it may get corrected, so I just follow your stuff.
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doesn't 'low abandance' sound like an oxymoron.
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doesn't 'low abandance' sound like an oxymoron.
LOL
yes low abundance is definitely an oxymoron.
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10 11 of 15 total posts in the last few weeks. It would seem someone has a bizarre infatuation with some of the things I write.
LOL
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Chum (and pink) abundance is low all along the Coast
MidIsland (Qualicum Puntledge): https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=215320&ID=all
Haida Gwaii: https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=215320&ID=all
Bella Coola Central Coast: https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=214943&ID=all
Johnstone Straight: https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=215015&ID=all
Bute Inlet (Orford River): https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=213399&ID=all
dam those Fraser Beach Seine's get everywhere! ;D
Nothing to do with "Fraser River Chum Update"
Maybe start a new thread instead of going off topic every 2 posts. ???
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who is living under a rock now? Maybe it's the people who imagine this is a Fraser watershed issue due to the beach seine fishery when in fact it is a wide spread low return associated with a pattern of low cycle returns. Chum returns have always been quite variable up and down the coast.
When you posted links to 25 year old data did I tell you we were off topic? What do returns 25+ years ago have to do with returns this year? No I didn't because there was something to learn in that data.
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who is living under a rock now? Maybe it's the people who imagine this is a Fraser watershed issue due to the beach seine fishery when in fact it is a wide spread low return associated with a pattern of low cycle returns. Chum returns have always been quite variable up and down the coast.
When you posted links to 25 year old data did I tell you we were off topic? What do returns 25+ years ago have to do with returns this year? No I didn't because there was something to learn in that data.
Lol, I expected nothing less. My rock is getting a lot of love these days. Its much easier than actually trying to figure out where you are going with this said topic. On the fence / Off the fence??
your links and data have nothing to do with the fraser chum, what they do have in common is the fact our fisheries management team can not do a sufficient job of ensuring the public's trust in managing our fish. Clear as mud for most.
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I always forget that the chum from the Fraser River swim in a different ocean from all the chum in all those other rivers. ::)
Ha Ha Ha!
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Chum are shutting down on Sunday cause low returns yet gill nets galore out there for the coming weekend. A+ dfo
https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=215591&ID=all
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There's also a typo in that notice
The opportunities for hatchery marked Coho and Chinook salmon remain open at
the limits identified on the DFO website at:
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/fresh-douce/region2-eng.htm
end of the url should be html
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Closing the stave but keeping the wack open lol......
Everyone to the C/V its the only place with fish left!!!
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I didn't see any FN netting so announced, but there were nets being set out in the Fraser and Harrison yesterday. Any word?
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I didn't see any FN netting so announced, but there were nets being set out in the Fraser and Harrison yesterday. Any word?
Yes it's on the DFO website and there will be openings in November as well.
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*sigh*
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DFO had it right all along, Ocean conditions are to blame...............
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2018/06/22/alaska-based-coast-guard-cutter-detains-chinese-flagged-vessel-for-suspected-illegal-fishing/
Yes that's 80 tonnes of chum!!!
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80 tonnes....... :'(
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DFO had it right all along, Ocean conditions are to blame...............
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2018/06/22/alaska-based-coast-guard-cutter-detains-chinese-flagged-vessel-for-suspected-illegal-fishing/
Yes that's 80 tonnes of chum!!!
This has been going on for decades.....but apparently it is hard to keep an eye on these guys.
I'm sure Ralph will pitch in and tell us that the Chinese have some ancient treaty or something that makes it ok for them to steal 80 tonnes of chum.
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[sigh] Such an imbecilic thing to say and a good reminder why I ignore some folks here.
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This has been going on for decades.....but apparently it is hard to keep an eye on these guys.
I'm sure Ralph will pitch in and tell us that the Chinese have some ancient treaty or something that makes it ok for them to steal 80 tonnes of chum.
Yes I know, just was a timely find and read.
Funny eh we can watch and spy on just about everything but poachers out at sea. ???