Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: searun17 on May 23, 2009, 09:23:54 PM
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two weeks ago i moved into a knew house and next door to us lives a single mom and her sixteen year old son,recently i have been warned by the neighbors that the boy is a thief and is nothing but trouble and i better keep my stuff locked up, and low and behold i go into my shed today to grab my mountain bike and go for a ride and bingo it is gone, now i cant say that the boy is responsible for the theft but under the circumstances where they have direct access to my back yard until my knew fence was built id have to say it looks a little suspicious to me,the bike was a reasonably expensive model as well ,i am really p*****,what would you do ,confront the boy? or let it go and be more carefull,it just drives me nuts when my personal property is violated,man would i just once love to catch these thieves in the act.
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Probably better off letting it go as you have not witnessed the act..
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I saw DMW riding a nice bike around today.... Might want to look into it. ;)
I know how you feel, I had 2 norco mountain bikes stolen from me, each bought for 600 bucks...sucks eh
Even if you catch them in the act, what can you do? Put a hand on them and now your in trouble...
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Even if you catch them in the act, what can you do? Put a hand on them and now your in trouble...
If you have caught them in the act you can contact your local police to deal with the situation rather pointing your fingers at a person for a mere suspicion.
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your only in trouble if someone see's you touch the thief, I have video surveillance of my yard, recorded on the computer.
I think you can get camera's pretty cheap now, just stay away from the wireless models.
so now you have video evidence ........you can deal with it yourself, just wait till the right time.
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I would not under any circumstances take matters into my own hands,thats what the police are for.Too many of these punks carry knives and would not think twice to shank you,most are drug addicted crackers, desperate for another hit off the pipe.
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I would go and beat on their front door then their back door, hassle, hassle/hassle/hassle the punk-tell his Mother you know what he's up to and call him every name in the book.
Every time he's in the yard, every time he leaves the house, every time he comes home-hassle/hassle/hassle.
The Police won't do anything and people here suggest you do nothing-are we to be victims of every punk who wants to rip us off?
The camera is a good idea but will the Police even bother to look @ video evidence-will the prosecutor bother with charges even if you catch him?
Does his Mother own or is she a renter?
If she's renting complain long and hard to their landlord and keep doing it.
I can think of an even dirtier way to get even-email me for details-nothing against the law but low down and bound to hit the punk where he lives.
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Set up a video camera and leave some bait out.
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Set up a video camera and leave some bait out.
I am likin this idea ;)
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I saw DMW riding a nice bike around today.... Might want to look into it. ;)
I know how you feel, I had 2 norco mountain bikes stolen from me, each bought for 600 bucks...sucks eh
Even if you catch them in the act, what can you do? Put a hand on them and now your in trouble...
You saw nothing!!! :o ;)
Yeah that Sucks with a capital S Ed..... not sure what I would do.... just keep an eye out and see if it turns up around your place at all. Did you get the serial number off the bottom of the bike? That would come in handy in you need to have a little confrontation....or need to get the police involved. Mika had her new bike stolen last year.... but we got lucky and the police knew who it could be so the went there and found some reason to be able to get into this crackheads place and got the bike back.... it was fubar'd but they got it back.
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Hey searun, if you are looking to replace your bike I have a brodie full susspension I don't ride enuff to justify keeping. Drop me an emailif you want more details.
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Difficult to accuse the boy without sufficient evidence. Keep a sharp eye on your possessions. If he stole your bike, chances are he will do it again.
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Sam Salmon,that is a very poor response.There is no proof that the punk stole the bike in the first place,now you wan't to harrass them into what...confessing? Give me a break. The idea of the camera and bait to catch the dude redhanded,yes! instead of a baitcar, lets call it a bait bike,same tactics the R.C.M.P uses to catch the crackers stealing cars. Catch the dude in action and apprehend him untill the police arrives.Done deal!
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Sam Salmon,that is a very poor response.There is no proof that the punk stole the bike in the first place,now you wan't to harrass them into what...confessing?
Never give a known thief an even break-NEVER he's not treating the people he steals from fairly and deserves nothing but the worst sort of treatment.
Note the kid is known for his criminality in the community.
What I'd do-and this is all 100% legal-is to do a search on his name and find out where he hangs out on-line-kids today are stupid about giving out too much info online and gather as much info on him/the people he calls friends as possible.
Then I'd setup a Facebook page in the kid's name and load it with all sorts of incriminating info-doesn't have to be true but isn't against the law.
Be sure all kinds of people find out about the Facebook page, it'll embarrass the zhit out of the punk and of course that's the idea-to stab him in the back just like he's stabbed so many people just like he stabs someone every time he steals from them.
The world is not a fair place as victims of crime soon find out-they are victimised by criminals then victimised again by being told they were in the wrong/are too bloodthirsty and must 'Play Fair'.
I say fight back dirty and pay the scum back in the only coin they understand-not by breaking the law but by being creative. ;D
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wow.... Sam Salmon.... what a misguided response... you seem to have a few issues... bottom line this so called suspect is just that, nothing to say he was even involved. if we all went around with enormous vandettas with just mere suspicion a lot of innocent people would be victimized just as the theft victim was... you need to get your ducks in a row before you start trashing someone, in person or on the internet.... take a deep breath buddy...
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Charles Darwin said "The tree of life is self pruning"- and that's true as far as it goes, however giving it a bit of a shake once in a while can be a help all around.
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Charles Darwin said "The tree of life is self pruning"- and that's true as far as it goes, however giving it a bit of a shake once in a while can be a help all around.
Until a piece of fruit with a machette finds out who you are and prunes you.
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Sam Salmon,that is a very poor response.There is no proof that the punk stole the bike in the first place,now you wan't to harrass them into what...confessing?
Then I'd setup a Facebook page in the kid's name and load it with all sorts of incriminating info-doesn't have to be true but isn't against the law.
If what you say on Facebook isn't true, it is defamation. Look it up.
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Searun,
I once got back a bunch of tools that were stolen from me by visiting the pawn shops downtown - I proved that they were mine and the owner didn't blink an eye and just returned everything that was mine
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Charles Darwin said "The tree of life is self pruning"- and that's true as far as it goes, however giving it a bit of a shake once in a while can be a help all around.
Until a piece of fruit with a machette finds out who you are and prunes you.
Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.-Emiliano Zapata (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Emiliano_Zapata)
If what you say on Facebook isn't true, it is defamation. Look it up.
As if some 16 year old thief has the resources to launch a lawsuit to prove he isn't a thief! ::) ;D
Can the thief go to the police and ask them to investigate? ;D
Fighting back is the best way to deal with those who would victimise us.
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As if some 16 year old thief has the resources to launch a lawsuit to prove he isn't a thief! ::) ;D
They have their daddy and mommy to finance their defence. After all, little Johnny won't heard a fly. :D
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As if some 16 year old thief has the resources to launch a lawsuit to prove he isn't a thief! ::) ;D
They have their daddy and mommy to finance their defence. After all, little Johnny won't heard (sic) a fly.
If you've followed the thread you'd know that the thief's Mother is single and most likely doesn't have a dime to her name-single Mothers financing defamation lawsuits is outside the realm of possibility.
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Don't laugh and I am serious if you have a fenced in area get a couple geese. I had a couple when I was living in Fort St. John in the 90's and those things are better than a guard dog and if you are a stranger they will 'bite' 'nip' go at you and make loud noise and can be very mean. Even my lab and two cats were scared of them.
I was going to eat them originally then I tried one from my buddy where I got them from and I discovered I really dislike goose. So they became pets. But until they knew 'you' they were not very nice...
But if you have kids or grandkids come to visit, you may want to think twice, unless you can keep the kids away from them.
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I’ll have to finally bite on this one.
So, lets see if I have this right...if one suspects that a kid may have committed a criminal act and stolen your bike, then one should:
setup a Facebook page in the kid's name and load it with all sorts of incriminating info-doesn't have to be true
Basically defame him. An eye for an eye. He (maybe) broke the law, so you should (definitely) break the law in response. This is okay, because:
single mothers financing defamation lawsuits is outside the realm of possibility.
Anotherwords, they don’t have the money to fight back. The buggers. I hate poor people too.
In addition:
go and beat on their front door then their back door, hassle, hassle/hassle/hassle the punk-tell his Mother you know what he's up to and call him every name in the book...If she's renting complain long and hard to their landlord and keep doing it.
Another words, try to get the single mother who:
“most likely doesn't have a dime to her name,”
...evicted. Good riddance!
Afer all, one should:
Never give a known thief an even break-NEVER he's not treating the people he steals from fairly and deserves nothing but the worst sort of treatment.
Because if someone told you he stole something before, then it MUST have been him. In addition, if he did something wrong once, then he is most certainly a criminal for life.
Perhaps it is just me, but this seems a little misguided. While I’m sure that you, like the Right Honourable Brian Mulroney, have “never knowingly done anything wrong in [your] entire life”, I might suggest that acting in such a manner towards someone that you merely suspect may have done something wrong—merely because, as you acknowledge, they do not have the resources to fight back-- is nothing more than misguided bullying which will cause more harm than good.
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An otherwords, they don’t have the money to fight back. The buggers. I hate poor people too.
Glad to hear it-me too especially when they steal.
Another words, try to get the single mother who “most likely doesn't have a dime to her name,”..evicted. Good riddance!
You learn quick!!
Note that OP was warned by people in the community that the juvenile in question is widely known as a thief he deserves nothing but scorn/hassle and worse.
BTW-It's 100% true about the Geese-they are mean animals not to be trifled with!
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An otherwords, they don’t have the money to fight back. The buggers. I hate poor people too.
Glad to hear it-me too especially when they steal.
Another words, try to get the single mother who “most likely doesn't have a dime to her name,”..evicted. Good riddance!
You learn quick!!
Note that OP was warned by people in the community that the juvenile in question is widely known as a thief he deserves nothing but scorn/hassle and worse.
BTW-It's 100% true about the Geese-they are mean animals not to be trifled with!
Well, I'm glad that's cleared up, then! I do appreciate the honesty by which you stick with such ludicrous statements, rather deadpan. Obviously, I slightly disagree. Good fun, all in all!! We'd likely have a fun day out fishing together. At least we could have a good friendly argument, whilst waiting for the bite....and that's half of fishing sometimes...
BTW: I agree about the geese as well, having grown up with a herd around on our farm. They are nasty buggers--but be warned--they do leave more than their fair share of skat around, in return.
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I don't think i saw anyone say this...
But what about talking to the mother? Explain the situation and what you have heard about the boy. Maybe she knows about the boy's habits and is working on some solution. Besides, being friends with the neighbours can be a real benefit.
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I don't think i saw anyone say this...
But what about talking to the mother? Explain the situation and what you have heard about the boy. Maybe she knows about the boy's habits and is working on some solution. Besides, being friends with the neighbours can be a real benefit.
This is what I was going to advocate, before I got carried away on a bit of a rant. It seems the reasonable thing to do. One can always escalate a situation--but its a lot harder to par it back down after acting like a ****.
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next door to us lives a single mom and her sixteen year old son.
Best guess is that he doesn't have a positive male role model in his life and is trying the best he can on his own to exercise the protector/provider nature that is built into the male DNA.
I suggest attempting to befriend him - take him fishing - through example demonstrate the ethics you believe in. Once there's a bit of trust he will listen to you, then tell him about your bike being stolen and how that angered/disappointed you that someone in our society would do that. Just leave it hanging there.
As Coho Cody says "Kids who Hunt, Trap, and Fish don't mug little old ladies"
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I would go and beat on their front door then their back door, hassle, hassle/hassle/hassle the punk-tell his Mother you know what he's up to and call him every name in the book.
Every time he's in the yard, every time he leaves the house, every time he comes home-hassle/hassle/hassle.
The Police won't do anything and people here suggest you do nothing-are we to be victims of every punk who wants to rip us off?
The camera is a good idea but will the Police even bother to look @ video evidence-will the prosecutor bother with charges even if you catch him?
Does his Mother own or is she a renter?
If she's renting complain long and hard to their landlord and keep doing it.
I can think of an even dirtier way to get even-email me for details-nothing against the law but low down and bound to hit the punk where he lives.
I like that idea. One of the many reasons our society harbors so much useless vermin is because to many, including police and courts, just "let it go". My goodness, in my generation if you just took a cookie from the counter without asking it had consequences you wouldn't forget in a hurry. That might very well have been the reason why the older generation stays on the straight and narrow. Undesirable behavior had painful consequences, worked very well then and surly would work today.
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some interesting feedback people,while i was away for the week fishing the interior some of my bitterness has gone,now i do have a few leads as to where the bike went so hopefully one of them turns out,and on the same note my luck didnt get any better while chaseing interior bows ,while i was unloading my pontoon and taking my rods and gear back to camp i get back to find out some body swiped my fins ,i had just bought the bloody things,and i couldnt have been gone for more than 5 or 10 mins,but anyway the fishing was good enough to pacify my temper,if i can i will post some pics.
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Are people being serious with the suggestion to call the police on a minor?? ::) Now what would that accomplish besides the victim being warned against any kind of retaliation ? The only purpose the legal system would serve here is to prevent retaliation , and once he's called the cops there is now documented evidence that he has motive for retaliation . The law is NOT there for the purpose of justice , there is no such thing in our society . Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply naive .
Don't know what advice to suggest myself , but you are on your own dealing with this guy , the law is not your friend in this . All the prolific offenders we got in this country prove this point beyond a doubt . That guy could rob you 100 times and nothing would ever be done about it by the law. The Legal system( we don't have a Justice system) does not care about you one iota .
Having said all this , if you don't actually know he did steal your bike , how can you retaliate or do something about it? Just because he's a known thief doesn't prove he actually stole your bike. Someone else could have done the deed too . You could probably benefit from some surveillance as already suggested.