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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: cohokid on October 15, 2005, 12:27:58 AM
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well i landed a small jack sprin the other day it was about 1lb i have caught kokanee that could eat it LOL well i wanted to know you personal smallest jack spring landed
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I have caught spring jacks that were pushing 8 inches.lol Your jack could probobly of ate mine. ;) I guess i winl :(
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LOL 8 inches that sweet when u here the word "spring" the first thing that comes to mind is 15-30 pound monster not something 8 inches or a puond. in the cap hatchery i saw jack that were that big lol
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lol, i guess i got one around 3 or 4 pounds, damn i lost already. but look on the bright side...mine could have eaten both of yours. ;D
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I have caught several coho jacks in the 10-12 inch range.
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in bamfield i caught a little spring off the dock mustve been 3 or 4 inches
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Excuse my ignorance (lack of knowledge :-[) how does a jack become a jack??
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A jack is simply a fish the matures at a younger age. Hence, it returns to the river earlier than its counter parts and is smaller.
Here's a pic of a jack coho from a few years ago. You probably cannot tell from the picture but I believe that one only measured around 13 inches.
(http://gallery.fishbc.com/albums/album232/fish6.png)
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Most likely natures way of ensuring enough males return each year as brood stock.
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I believe that the coho jacks are infertile. Can anyone confirm this?
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Are you sure it wasn't a smolt or a trout looking for a meal?
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6 inch jacks? my jacks are ushually 5lbs. Arent salmon from the ocean not considered jacks? Do these small 1 lb chinook jacks come back after one year?
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6 inch jacks? my jacks are ushually 5lbs. Arent salmon from the ocean not considered jacks? Do these small 1 lb chinook jacks come back after one year?
A "normal" spring salmon is one that returns when it is between 4 and 8 years old. That's why they very so much in size and can be so big. I guess a jack would be one that returns when it is 1, 2, or 3 years old. So the 1lbs would have to be only a year or 2 old.
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I dont know how many are 8 year fish. Im guessing slim to none come back that late. Most chinook are 3-5 years with some 6 year old fish. I havent heard of 8 year chinook im guessing its not impossible just unlikely. The guy i talked to said some 5 year old fish are much bigger than 6 year olds. Can anyone verify there is not 8 year olds or that they are very very rare?
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The biologist i worked with this week told me no there is 6 year fish i could see some 7 year fish maybe but not 8. The average chinook would definatly not be an 8 a 4-8 year.
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I might be wrong im sure some people hear can confirm this ???
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The biologist i worked with this week told me no there is 6 year fish i could see some 7 year fish maybe but not 8. The average chinook would definatly not be an 8 a 4-8 year.
Well, I've done some research and I find some conflicting information. I've found species descriptions that very widely in the lifespan of the Chinook Salmon. So, I would suggest that we view the life span to be highly variable both between individuals and populations. My conclusions are that while some fish do live to be 8 or 9 years old (see my reference below) this is quite rare. So, for the most part Chinooks return in their 4th, 5th or 6th years, with some individuals returning as late as the 9th year.
To 6 years:
http://www.nwf.org/wildlife/chinooksalmon/
To 7 years:
http://www.bcadventure.com/adventure/angling/protalk/reid/chinook.phtml
To 8 years:
http://www.psmfc.org/habitat/edu_chinook_facts.html
To 9 years:
http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=244
NOTE: internet resources are notoriously unreliable. If any one out there had books covering this matter could you please post your findings? Publishers are a little more scrutinous about the content of their products than webproviders are.
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Those websites are a bit off. It also says max size 61 lbs ???
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hmmm...River's Inlet and the Whonnock River have some real brutes.
I worked in Rivers Inlet in 1994 and the lodge owner there who was also a fisheries biologist from the States showed me pictures of fish 80, 90, and one that was estimated to be over 100lbs from up that way--in Rivers Inlet---he told me none of the fish that size are 5 year fish in that system. They are very rare, and in some cases, many of the spawned out carcasses had leaders and hooks in their mouths--as did one shot he showed me.
I believe it. I have had several fish which I believe were well over 60 lbs on my guests lines which they ended up breaking off from being tired.....and hate to say it, potentially over 80 lbs. I remember one year that a guest from QCL caught an 82 lber and the guide was a "contract" guide. The guide is on record as saying that there was a leader with 6/0 hooks in it's mouth. Guess what I had tied on my leader? LOL. I was north of QCL and my guest may have played that fish as it was hooked and caught 24 hours later.
Oh well.
I am not saying it was that fish, but it could have been. ::)
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Rivers inlet i think gets late fish probaly 5th years and 6th years. When i worked at the hatchery this week there was a spring about 35 lbs with a spoon and 4 foot leader in its mouth.
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I believe that the coho jacks are infertile. Can anyone confirm this?
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/articles/2001/1201_01.html
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Never knew there was jack chum!
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Yea most guides deifinatly do. I once got stuck with one though that didnt know much. I woulda easily outfished him :( It was really a waste of money and we caught nothing. This only happens with the large services though i was with oak bay marine group.
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Ah...Oak Bay...er Joke Bay. I just HOWL at the guys I see on the Marabelle and Charlotte Princess when I am up at Langara.....those guys catch fish, and do ok..but honestly now, if someone pays the big $$$ to go there, just get a GUIDE. I remember one time a new guide that came over from "the west coast" and was shooting his mouth off about fish here, and fish there..and blah blah blah...I went back to the dock that after having kept 4 tyees, 1 for each of my guests, and having released 36 Springs of which none were under 20 lbs, and that was in just 5 hours! The new guide....shall we say... managed 5 springs in that same stretch.
This was a very tough year up at Langara from what I am hearing from my buddies...not a Langara year at all, and it took a while for something resembling Langara fishing to show up.
If anyone on these forums does book for trips out on the coast, I sincerely recommend a guide for many reasons, but in the end, the trip of a lifetime is worth it.
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A bit of misinformation on Jacks. They do indeed happen in all of the salmon species except Pinks and are very much viable as spawners. Over the years I have watched many Jacks do the deed as two big males fight for the right. Kind of like the little mouthy guy we all knew in high school, the big guys get to fighting and he scoops the girl ;D. Chum jacks are the most infrequent with coho and chinook jacks being the most common. Some stocks of sockeye have lots of Jacks while other stocks have none.
I personelly feel that they are a very important component of the salmon runs as they allow gene flow between different brood years and contribute to genetic diversity. I bet most people do not know that in the Federal salmon hatcheries they are used as part of the broodstock programs in the same proportion as they appear in the escapement (ie: less than 10% normally).
In regard to chinook ages, it is generally true that the farther north you go, the older the fish become. Most Fraser and Van Island chinook are 4 or 5 years old but the Skeena has more 6 year old fish. If you go to Alaska, Yukon or Kamchaka you will find chinook that may reach 8 or 9 years of
age (but that is rare). The oldest chinook on record was a 9 year old fish from Kamchaka. Part of the reason for the older age is it takes the juvenile fish more years to get to the smolt stage in a cold northern river than in a southern river. Hence the older age. A 5 year old chinook with a 1 year of freshwater residency will often be the same size at adult as a 4 year old that old reared in freshwater for the first spring. Both of smolts once they have moved to the marine environment will have had 4 years of saltwater feeding, hense they should be about the same size.
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haha...PUKERS!!!!! lol !
I can hardly wait for next spring to get out there and get fishing again...
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I got my first jack coho this morning. Not a great pic but you can see it. About 1.5lbs (http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/kellster43/jackcoho.jpg). I can see chinook being much older in alaska. Look at the average size of some in rivers like the kenai 50lbs is pretty common.
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my first coho jack was caught just under the highway bridge in very little water(vedder canal) on red wool.last week of september this was just before the rains came and it had a little bit of kype jaw already.they are a cute little fish and i must say he was very tasty.
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I have caught and released like 100 jack Steelheads in my day........ they ranged from 2 inches to 10inches. And no they werent just regular trout.
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It doesn't count as a jack unless they are sexually mature.
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Yea i think those would be smolts.
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common guys, i know that. I thought some stupid humour would be ok?
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::)
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adanac...wwe got the odd 16-20 incher too ;)
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I've never caught a jack coho, but my smallest jack was about 4-5lb. spring
(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/member/gallery/album30/cody2[img])
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Why is it always reffered to as a jack, why not bob or jim or frank or even henry.LOL
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LOL funny
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My smallest jack coho was a weighed a whopping 1/2 lbs.
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Thats a small fry man, wow. :)
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6 inch jacks? my jacks are ushually 5lbs. Arent salmon from the ocean not considered jacks? Do these small 1 lb chinook jacks come back after one year?
Coho jacks are much smaller than spring jacks on the average. Coho jacks are more like around 12 inchs, well spring jacks are around 2 to 5lbs on the average.
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Can anyone conirm that my fish in the pics a jack. It was around 1.5-2lbs fat and maybe 18-19 inches i think
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Can anyone conirm that my fish in the pics a jack. It was around 1.5-2lbs fat and maybe 18-19 inches i think
;) It looks more like 1lb. But anyway, yes that is certainly a Jack. I've caught many just like it. Better than nothing, that's for sure.
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I have fished certain systems where the average fish is between 18-22 inches and the jacks were 10-12 inches....
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My friend cought a coho jack around 12-14 inches. We thought it was a small ranbow.