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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: RiverBum101 on January 17, 2011, 08:12:38 PM
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hey guys every time i fish with jigs they constantly get hung up on the bottom and that's alot of money to be losing.i use a simple float fishing set up with a snap swivel and tubing and lead any tips to help me catch a fish on a jig or just for them to stop getting hung up thanks.
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Shorten up.
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Like Dion Said, shorten your depth...if you're getting hung up it means you're too deep. Jigs can be bottom magnets and hard to pull loose.
You want your presentation a foot to foot and a half from the bottom, the fish can see up
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I fish my jigs no more than 18-24" or so under the surface, quite often less, any fish I get on the jigs are usually a hammered quite hard, so if they are in the mood to bite, they will go after them.
But, like you said, they are definitely bottom magnets, so you gotta be on high alert with your drifts.
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hey guys every time i fish with jigs they constantly get hung up on the bottom and that's alot of money to be losing.i use a simple float fishing set up with a snap swivel and tubing and lead any tips to help me catch a fish on a jig or just for them to stop getting hung up thanks.
Rock magnets.Stop using them and u will catch more fish and save money. ;D
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Rock magnets.Stop using them and u will catch more fish and save money. ;D
If you dont know how to use them,I use jigs all the time almost never get hung up and fairly often get rewarded with a nice fish,to catch stealhead and to fish jigs you need to know one of the most important factors and that is to know how to read water,and if you dont, fishing jigs and hunting for stealhead will cost you alot of money and days with no succes. ;D
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you want to have your jig a foot to 2 feet off the bottom and in clear water u can get away with fishing about 3 or more feet from the bottom but there is cheaper and more effective ways to get steelies :-X
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I find that jigs work best in choppier water. The movement of your float will give the jig some nice action.
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I despise jig fishing. they do have there advantages ie. they drop down into the zone very quick which can provoke an instant take or keep your presentation into the zone the entire time but I find that 99 percent of the time I can do the same things with my normal drift rig. what do you do when u need to fish a really fishy piece of water that's only 6 to 12 inches in off colored water (2 of my fish this season) and theres not enough current to hold back??? put on a 6 inch leader? jigs do work well don't get me wrong but I find there application more suitable to late season fishing... most people seem to waste their of money on expensive fancy jigs during the early season when the fish will take anything. I bet allot of people would have more confidence in them if they fished them more in the later months instead of wasting their money in DEC, JAN. personally the only time I fish jigs is to amuse myself with my hand tied creations... not to catch more fish. riverbum 101 if your fishing the lower stretches of the vedder your wasting your time and money.... unless your fishing deeper water.
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hey guys every time i fish with jigs they constantly get hung up on the bottom and that's alot of money to be losing.i use a simple float fishing set up with a snap swivel and tubing and lead any tips to help me catch a fish on a jig or just for them to stop getting hung up thanks.
When setting float depth we are so used to measuring it from float to last shot on the line.
In most cases, this is OK as most bait/artificials are semi boyant and don't sink that fast and would flow with the current.
In comparison, a jig is a lead weight of around 1/4 or 1/8 oz and sinks really fast and have little water resistance.
So think of it as your last shot on the line that needs to be off the bottom by at least 1 feet.
So when setting float depth measure from float to the jig, not to weight.
If water depth is 6 feet, set float to jig at 5 feet, which normally means that your weight would be at 3 to 4 feet depending on leader length.
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good advise.
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I tie up jigs from RVRFSHR in Oregon which run me $.50 cents a piece, they come with pre poured lead heads and are the same hooks that Bent Rod uses. All in I figure that they cost me about $.75 a piece tied and painted. You can fish them short for sure but if you are on top of some stubborn fish you can also prompt a defensive bite by getting them right down in their face much like you would pulling plugs. I had a day two years ago where my buddy landed 8 steelies to my 0. He was fishing jigs, and I was fishing roe which they would not even sniff. They can be unbeatable in the right conditions. If people are telling you not to fish jigs because they are too expensive they most likely don't fish jigs. Just find a cheaper way to make them ;)
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ps they are so cheap because I get them in a pack of 50. I personally prefer to buy terminal tackle in bulk whenever possible because it is always much cheaper. If you really like fishing jigs order up a big batch and they will last you a few years.
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You can fish them short for sure but if you are on top of some stubborn fish you can also prompt a defensive bite by getting them right down in their face much like you would pulling plugs. I had a day two years ago where my buddy landed 8 steelies to my 0. He was fishing jigs, and I was fishing roe which they would not even sniff. They can be unbeatable in the right conditions.
Well said. I am new to jig fishing for steelhead, but see it's value.
On a typical river, nine out of ten steelhead float fisherman are using roe, shrimp, pink worm and/or blades, so steelhead in pressured rivers are sometimes turned off by these as they see a continuous parade of them all day long, especially on weekends. Jigs on the other hand are not so widely used and therein lies one of it's advantages. This weekend I was fishing an undercut rock bank where I was quite sure there would be a steelhead. I covered it meticulously with shrimp, pink worm, blades, yarn ball and single eggs to no avail. I looked into my vest pocket and realised I had a pink jig. So I tied it on and slid it into the undercut rock bank and a steelhead just slammed the jig on the first cast. So something must have ticked it off. I am not sure why it hit the jig and not touch the others, but it sure was effective on that day. I lost the fish at my feet as I was careless, but sure did enjoy the fight with a feisty chrome. :)
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I've found a jig to be most effective in walking pace/slightly faster then walking pace current.
When using a jig, there's no need to be hugging the bottom at all. personally if I was fishing 6' of water, I'd have a 3-3.5 foot leader. Fish will come up to jig, and this keeps it away from bottom debris. the absolute key to fishing jig is to be DEAD DRIFTED. Any resistance on the line, and your jig will swing up, and be for the most part be rendered useless.
I don't get how someone can say fishing a jig is a waste of money or time. I often use the same jig all day...how is that expensive? Not to mention there's no bait or mess involved, besides occasional adding of scent.
It takes confidence to successfully fish any style, I can see how if you've never caught fish on jigs before,it would be easy to second guess yourself when starting to fish for steelies. My advice would be to bust out some jigs when chums are around, figure out what works with those fish, then use those techniques for steelies. good luck out there. and remember absolute dead drift.
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don't get how someone can say fishing a jig is a waste of money or time. I often use the same jig all day...how is that expensive?
i said fishing them early season is not going to give an advantage when the fish are hitting everything..... it can be expensive in the early season when you don't know runs well and you have to second guess yourself about fishing too deep(like throwing that expensive 7 dollar drennan near a snag pile) you will be fishing to shallow allot of the time worrying about losing your jig. my post was not to detour fisherman from using them but to give advise on fishing them later in the year when their presence is more effective.
if people are telling you to not fish jigs because they are way to expensive then they most likely don't fish jigs
hue nut i do fish jigs on occasion(mostly in the later months) I was stating this because i figured riverbum101 was buying them Pre tied and losing allot of gear which will inevitably frustrate a beginner stealheader (not stating that he is because i don't know who riverbum101 is) turning them completely off jig fishing altogether.
I had a day 2 years ago when my buddy landed 8 steelies to my 0
like I said fish them in the later months and you will be rewarded because this surely wasn't in dec jan or probably even feb unless hue nut was fishing the canal again. was this from kwb down?
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personally if I was fishing 6' of water, I'd have a 3-3.5 foot leader.
That's a bloody long leader for steelhead...are you sure you didn't mean "I'd have the weight 3-3.5 feet under the float"?
That, plus a 1.5 foot leader would get you right in the zone.
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milo, i meant that if in 6' of water, I'd present jig at 3.5'. things change according to conditions, ie, colored water; obviously would try to put jig closer to bottom as the lack of vis will deter a fish sitting on the bottom from seeing jig...clear water with high vis, not important at all to be near the bottom...fish will easily see and attack a properly presented jig 3 ' and more above them. plus if your jig is 5' from your float in 6' of water, snagging on bottom debris is likely. if you feel there is no danger of snagging, lengthen leader. imo unless conditions require it, being on the bottom foot of water column with a jig is unnecessary, perhaps counter productive as fish holding in any other areas of the river will not be able to see the jig at all. for example, a fish 10 feet away for example from your drift's track will easily see a jig that is higher in the column.
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I often use jigs and fish them AT LEAST 2 feet off of the bottom. This is partly because I hate snagging and leaving junk at the bottom of the river, but mainly because I have never found a difference getting them down that extra foot.
A couple of the old timers I have fished with over the years fish them even higher with great success, not to be bothered with height adjustments.
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I often use jigs and fish them AT LEAST 2 feet off of the bottom. This is partly because I hate snagging and leaving junk at the bottom of the river, but mainly because I have never found a difference getting them down that extra foot.
A couple of the old timers I have fished with over the years fish them even higher with great success, not to be bothered with height adjustments.
ill fish behind you any day ;D
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Not worth the bother...I catch fish alot of steel in skinny water and the last thing i need is a jig to constantly hang up on the bottom. ;D And i dont fish the stack holes in the Canal ??? I cover all kinds of water in a day and dont worry about finding the "right" water in order to use a jig.The great thing about these higher water levels this yr is it keeps the fish moving through the canal ;D Cheers
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Keeping jigs off the bottom to prevent snags does makes sense, but what about effectiveness of this method in cold water?
In winter, water temperature is very low, it's like 3 degrees at my local river and steelheads are sluggish.
Would keeping it 2~3 feet off the bottom still be effective in cold water?
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Steel get lethargic in colder water and try to conserve energy.They wont go out of there way to bite something thats not right in front of them.A fresh piece of bait drifted in front of thier nose in colder temps is the ticket to steelhead success. ;D
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--adjust jig weight sometimes overlooked.
--Not all but some I just buy the bent 90 degree jig hook or Matzuo about 60 degree bend.
--Instead of using Jig molded weight I just squeeze on lead or now I guess non toxic soft weights.. I sometimes even squeeze them flat in a vise... rather than leave round... then paint an eye or single colour.
--This allows tying same jig fly with several different head weights... thus allowing you to adjust the terminal weight to dial in the jig presentation.
--People often tell you what won't work rather than how you can change your presentation to make it work..
--I use jigs down to 1/48th oz...(0bviously not for steelhead but good for whitefish . ) probably less weight than some flies on larger hooks.
--Like many have said when fish are biting you don't need to be as dialed in as on a day when you can bounce off their head and they won't even notice.
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Skaha, the idea of an interchangeable jig head is really appealing to me.
I mostly use 1/8 oz jigs, but sometimes find the weight to be not suitable to water condition.
If the jig is too light, I can add a split shot on the leader, but this is not an ideal solution to the problem.
If the jig is too heavy, then it is a hmmmmm..... situation.
Would be good if someone can introduce this kind of jig to the market.
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Bigblue; Lindy jigs exchange system can change colour and weight size. Not sure if they have a steelhead quality hook in this system but if enough people wanted it I'm sure it would happen.
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waste of time i would sooner tie a 30 minute intruder on a jig hook with very lightly weighted eyes. fish way more water. 2-3 feet is not effective period. 1 to 2 tops. especially in the water we will be seeing in the next week(very colored ) or so.
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2-3 feet is not effective period.
I couldn't disagree more.
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How do you guys scent your jigs?
Or, is scent not necessary in good viz water?
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How do you guys scent your jigs?
Or, is scent not necessary in good viz water?
You can scent them by adding a piece of prawn/shrimp, just make sure there is no oil based scent on the bait or it will get on the feathers making them all stuck together.
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its amazing how many guys fish jigs now, and a lot of them only fish jigs and nothing else ??? if your only fishing jigs your passing over a lot of fish. jigs have a time and a place and i always carry a few in my pack but rarely put them on. the biggest advantage of the jig is that it gets down quick and into the strike zone which is good for a run that you need to get down quickly in. other than that I would rather buy a shrimp ring at the same price as one jig.
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Why do you want to diss jig fishermen? Don't you know bait is for little kids...
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great thread so it dont take much to tye your own, rods DIY packs anda few tools and materials.
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never fished the jig for steel. but do use it for other species. it definatly has it,s time and place
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Jigs or any other lures are not the end all and be all for steelheads. Just another lure in the arsenal for steelheads.
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http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/110121-2.html
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http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/110121-2.html
This is a great way to get some great info on fishing jigs . I also believe that you get to tie a few jigs of your own.
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its amazing how many guys fish jigs now, and a lot of them only fish jigs and nothing else ??? if your only fishing jigs your passing over a lot of fish. jigs have a time and a place and i always carry a few in my pack but rarely put them on. the biggest advantage of the jig is that it gets down quick and into the strike zone which is good for a run that you need to get down quickly in. other than that I would rather buy a shrimp ring at the same price as one jig.
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This coming from a guy who promoted jigs two years ago more than anyone LOL ::) ::) ??? ???
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How? Ya i fished them alot, and hooked alot of fish on them. But perfer to fish different water now, that isn't suited to the jig. Many fish fell to the jig this past season aswell, but they have a time and a place. I'm not going to strap a jig to my line and fish only that. Far from it... That's just not how I fish.
JIGS WORK! AND THEY WORK WELL! Personal preference. Steelhead bite anything. Spin'n glow, roe, roe bags, prawn, ghost shrimp, squid, pink worms, gooey bobs, jensen eggs, wool, spoons, spinners, jigs, flies, rags, plugs, blades, trout beads. Notice the common theme here?
And anto I think you should keep personal opinions towards individuals to yourself. It would be much appreciated. THANKS!
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Guys, this is a great thread.
With lots of more experienced steelhead fisherman sharing their personal views on jigs, I am sure novice steelheaders like myself could arrive at a better understanding of the art via reading threads like these and through experimentation at the river. In the end, we all have to arrive at our own conclusions based on our own experiences.
Tight lines! :)
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How? Ya i fished them alot, and hooked alot of fish on them. But perfer to fish different water now, that isn't suited to the jig. Many fish fell to the jig this past season aswell, but they have a time and a place. I'm not going to strap a jig to my line and fish only that. Far from it... That's just not how I fish.
JIGS WORK! AND THEY WORK WELL! Personal preference. Steelhead bite anything. Spin'n glow, roe, roe bags, prawn, ghost shrimp, squid, pink worms, gooey bobs, jensen eggs, wool, spoons, spinners, jigs, flies, rags, plugs, blades, trout beads. Notice the common theme here?
And anto I think you should keep personal opinions towards individuals to yourself. It would be much appreciated. THANKS!
:P :P :P Sorry man i made that comment knowing what your resonse would be ;D ;D,thanks for the entertaiment Dimitri,LOL was at the end of my comment i thought you would figure it out but thanks anyways,see you on the river, ;) ;D,have you ever seen me make a negative opinion about anyone on any board.
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http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/110121-2.html
Thanks for posting this Rodney, I'll be there for sure!
No one is saying jigs are only thing that works, farrr from it, just another tool in the tool belt.
btw, Short floating a jig? pfft... ::)<(sarcasm)
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No i haven't spotted your negativity anywhere. I hope it stays that way. As for seeing ppl on the river, I may see you, but you won't spot me. To short. I blend in well with the bush. ;)
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your jigs look great, you've got some talent riverbum. I like how you kept the light color on the outside emphasizing the dark inside.
Keep it up :)
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If you are able to fit it in you should take in the jig seminar by Rod Toth of Bent Rod jigs at the Hatch Match'r fly shop in February. He will give you his tips and insight as to what makes a good quality jig.
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Was at Hatch Matchrs today and the seminar is already half full so if any of you are interested you better phone the shop and get you name on the list.
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You have some talent thanks for letting me use your jigs to catch my first, second, and third steelhead ;D
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yeah you got some serious skills, i am attempting to tie my own and well there is alot of swinging... may i ask what materials you are using riverbum? thanks in advance