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Title: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: TheLostSockeye on November 26, 2015, 04:57:30 PM
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Well its been a pretty good few days.
This is why i catch so many fish!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApLEOnzqpuM if your roe doesn't do this your missing out!!


Started off fishing lower river looking for some chum does so i could test out these new cures i got that nobody else in
Canada has. So i woke up around 7:00am and started tying jigs. I tied around 4 and we headed to the river. I arrived at the spot i wanted to fish and their were 2 other anglers there so i proceeded to go above them a bit. They said they recognized me from instagram  ;D ::) As i was rigging up one of the anglers below me hooked a beauty 8-10lb chum doe just a silver bullet and he retained it. I was happy for him and excited that there might be some more chums in there! Within 5 casts my float sank and i got a beauty buck chum that was so silver i couldn't let it go BONK!. 
(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2089_zps1hjq1ggy.jpg)
 
The fishing died off pretty quick after that and nobody else caught anything. I decided to head to another spot i know and saw no other anglers present so i was pretty happy. I fished about 2 runs that were there and i got nothing!! The runs were prime to fish were bound to sit in there!! Dazed and confused i decided to walk way up river and see if i could find more fish-able water. I arrived at the spot i know call The Slab 2.0 And proceeded to fish. First cast BAM! float goes down.
(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2100_zpsneobuf7w.jpg)

Released that nice girl and cast out again BAM! float goes down again and up comes :
(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2105_zpsoputtjja.jpg)

around 5 casts later :
(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2106_zpshryqwz1r.jpg)

Few casts after that:

(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2108_zpsierrayt1.jpg)

I then proceeded to cast 10-15 times with no fish. So then i headed up to the head of the run just as my fishing buddy arrives. First cast BAM! float goes down, i set the hook but nothing. This repeated 2 more times until finally on the 4th cast i got a good hookset into a nice fish. I then proceeded to hand the rod off to my fishing buddy. He fought it for a bit until he got it in. It was a 10+lb bullet chrome chum doe with sea lice all over its back!!! I cured up this roe with my secret stuff to try the next day.

(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2116_zpsucjirdaz.jpg)

As for today. I met up with a buddy on the river and we started in the lower at first light. It was really slow we didn't get anything at the first spot. At the second spot on my second cast i got a chum doe that was all spawned out Gross! Nothing after that. Then We tried 2 other spots with nothing. Finally we tried this big pool and i managed to pull one nice doe out of there (sorry no pic) And that was it for my buddy's fishing trip and chums for the day. He went home.

I decided that i wanted to try upriver. We drove upriver to a spot ive fished lots before and i went out to the main run and it totally sucked!! Super shallow and not fishable. I was fishing on the other side of the river and i remembered that there was a nice seam just upriver from where i was. LOL It was pretty far 20 min hike later i got to the nice seam and nobody was there!!
I tried fishing a jig for a bit and i got a few float downs but no good takers. I then decided to try my roe i just cured up the previous day. Man did it ever work well! it milked out just like the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApLEOnzqpuM
Within 10 casts i had 2 coho on the beach 1 hatch 1 wild.

Hatch:
(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2119_zpstvqkb5vk.jpg)
(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2134_zpsenkz6zg5.jpg)

Wild:

(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2121_zpsackeulrj.jpg)
(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2120_zpsryuzsguv.jpg)


Beauty fish for this time year!!

This picture pretty much sums up the last couple days!  ;) ;D ::)

(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2113_zpsb3yd8nb2.jpg)
(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2114_zps12ychngb.jpg)
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: Dave on November 26, 2015, 05:55:41 PM
Perhaps it's time to learn some basic C&R skills TLS.  I know you're young and posting pictures of your catch is important at your age, but showing pictures of wild fish out of the water will not make you many friends on most fishing forums ;)
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: TheLostSockeye on November 26, 2015, 06:00:42 PM
Perhaps it's time to learn some basic C&R skills TLS.  I know you're young and posting pictures of your catch is important at your age, but showing pictures of wild fish out of the water will not make you many friends on most fishing forums ;)

Lol i knew someone was going to say something! Pictures not important at all. I only take so my friends believe me. fish was fine took literally 5 seconds to take pics and put fish on its marry way! next time it will be in water. My C&R skills are great thank you. One mishap and shhhh hits the fan .
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: Dave on November 26, 2015, 06:06:51 PM
Was just a suggestion. Carry on
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: clarki on November 26, 2015, 06:18:45 PM
I only take so my friends believe me.
As the years go by your ego becomes less fragile, you don't care if your friends believe you (or you get new friends!), and you just carry on doing what you're doing.

Having said that, you've caught a tad more fish than me and it's nice to see such an enthusiastic and skilled angler. Carry on :) 
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: Drewhill on November 26, 2015, 06:26:51 PM
Perhaps it's time to learn some basic C&R skills TLS.  I know you're young and posting pictures of your catch is important at your age, but showing pictures of wild fish out of the water will not make you many friends on most fishing forums ;)

I've fished with him and his fish handling skills are top notch. When he says literally 5 seconds he's not joking.
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: Brothersage on November 26, 2015, 09:57:20 PM
It's not a matter of how long this fish is out of water for. The fact that it's on the rocks is enough to damage it. I'm  not saying you have bad c&r skills. Just a bad pic to post. Try and release wild fish in water thats all. BTW  if your friends don't belive you on catching so many fish by now then they're not really friends. You're obviously a good fisherman and don't need to prove anything to them. Keep it up kid and have fun🎣
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: adecadelost on November 27, 2015, 02:10:38 PM
Great report and always great to see pics of young guns having fun.

But yes as mentioned try and keep fish in the water.  This doesn't just mean touching water.  Every shot you've posted of fish you released, shows them up on the rocks.  This does a lot of damage to fish.

It's always a learning process and you seem like you're on the fast track to becoming a serious rod so keep it up.
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: Knnn on November 27, 2015, 04:05:07 PM
Thanks for the interesting and fun report. 

Some nice fresh chum there, hope you threw one on the BBQ, they are great table fare when they are caught with white bellies.
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: Dryfly22 on November 27, 2015, 05:46:17 PM
Hey Kyle I fished beside you breifly one morning and you are on your way my friend, it was a pleasure.  i want to bring this up again.  I rarely post, but a young guy of your skill and the amount of fish you catch could be a good example to others.  it is all about keeping the fish deep enough in the water when being released so they dont flop and bang their heads on the rocks.  Still photos never show that.  Cheers to you and everyone.  Conserve our waters.  Steelhead Season is pretty much here.  Lets take extra care and keep the wilds knee deep.

You may be killing Steelhead and not knowing it.

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You May Be Killing Steelhead And Not Even Know It
53 comments / Posted on November 18, 2013 / by Louis Cahill



Photo by Louis Cahill

Steelheaders are generally pretty serious about catch-and-release, but it’s likely that many are mortally wounding fish without ever knowing it.

There are few species of fish as vulnerable as wild steelhead. These fish are beset on all sides by threats both natural and man-made. With their numbers dwindling, it’s safe to say, every steelhead counts. It’s vital that those of us who fish for them practice the best catch-and-release practices.

However, common landing practices can kill fish without the angler ever knowing. A team of biologists studying steelhead in British Columbiadiscovered this problem, quite by accident. These scientists were tagging steelhead with GPS trackers. They determined that the least intrusive way to capture the fish was, well, the same way we do it. With a fly rod. They landed the fish, tagged them with the GPS device and released them. When they went to their computer to track the fish’s progress they discovered something alarming.

Within two hours many of the fish they had tagged, and released in good health, were dead. They collected the fish and performed autopsies to determine what had gone wrong. In every case the cause of death was head trauma. It turns out that ‘steelhead’ is a misnomer. The fish’s head is, in fact, its most vulnerable spot.

When landing the fish the researchers had played them into shallow water where they would be easy to tail. As the fish came into the shallows they were on longer, fully submerged. Without the resistance of the water surrounding them, their powerful thrashing was able to generate momentum that is not possible underwater. The flopping fish simply hit their heads on a rock.

The fish appeared fine when released, but their injured brains began to swell and soon they were dead. It makes perfect sense if you think about it. Fish have evolved in an environment where hitting their head on anything with enough force to cause damage is almost impossible. Their brains lack the natural protection enjoyed by terrestrial species.

Luckily, this unfortunate outcome is easily avoided. The angler has a couple of good options. Landing fish by hand in knee deep water is a little tougher but much safer for the fish. You can grab the leader to control the fish long enough to tail it. After a fish or two it will feel very natural. When possible, it’s best to use a good catch-and-release net. This is safest for the fish and easiest for the angler. A net helps you seal the deal while the fish is still fresh and requires little reviving.

Always control your fish once he’s landed. Keep his gills wet and support his head in case he makes a sudden attempt to escape. Keeping him, dorsal fin up, will keep his range of motion side-to-side, making it harder for him to injure himself. When possible keep him in deeper water. Never beach a fish when landing him and never lay him on the bank for a photo. It’s just not worth it.

Wild steelhead are a precious resource. Those of us who come to the river looking for them must lead by example and do our best to to be good stewards of these remarkable fish. Their future is, literally in our hands.


Louis Cahill
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Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: TheLostSockeye on November 27, 2015, 06:57:07 PM
Yeah I was practicing my C and R skills today will post photo when I get home.

Also caught my first steelhead of this season today!!!! Was a hatch but I let it go you know because it's the first one of the season! No pic of it cause I was fishing a steep drop off and nowhere to land fish.

Also I'm no longer going to be posting reports here. Everything will be on Instagram. If you want reports you can also Pm me or shoot me an email.

Good luck for steelhead season everyone!!! Tight lines and bent rods!!
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: MetalAndFeathers on November 27, 2015, 07:07:19 PM
Could have gotten 50$ if you bonked it and brought it to freds.... but good on ya for releasing it and not stressing it out by taking longer minutes to find a place to land it.
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: TheLostSockeye on November 27, 2015, 07:56:02 PM
Hows this for C&R Skills LOL  ::) Way easier when someone is there to take a photo for me....

(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2139_zpscgvmfngj.png)


This also happened LOL!!!!!\

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hCpvv-QtsA
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: Rodney on November 28, 2015, 12:55:59 AM
Also I'm no longer going to be posting reports here. Everything will be on Instagram. If you want reports you can also Pm me or shoot me an email.

Kyle, if you are stopping because of the few feedbacks you got, then you're doing it for the wrong reason. These photos and reports are great, they keep people motivated and very entertaining for those who cannot get out.

When you put yourself out there, be it Instagram, fishing reports on the forum, YouTube, etc, you will get all sorts of feedbacks. There'll be praises, but there'll also be constructive criticisms, which should not be regarded as negativity. Dave's concerns are valid, and when someone who has decades of experience telling you that you may wish to improve on certain practice, then you should listen instead of being defensive. These people are telling you, not only because they care about the fish, but because they respect you as an angler who is willing to learn and improve. If nobody says anything, it means they no longer care, so don't let them think otherwise by doing the exact opposite. Be receptive to these comments. You already demonstrate that you are a good angler, so there's nothing to prove in that department. Show them that you're humble, and you'll gain even more respect from these peers both in the online community and at the river.
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: Outdoorsman on November 28, 2015, 06:11:40 AM
Kyle, if you are stopping because of the few feedbacks you got, then you're doing it for the wrong reason. These photos and reports are great, they keep people motivated and very entertaining for those who cannot get out.

When you put yourself out there, be it Instagram, fishing reports on the forum, YouTube, etc, you will get all sorts of feedbacks. There'll be praises, but there'll also be constructive criticisms, which should not be regarded as negativity. Dave's concerns are valid, and when someone who has decades of experience telling you that you may wish to improve on certain practice, then you should listen instead of being defensive. These people are telling you, not only because they care about the fish, but because they respect you as an angler who is willing to learn and improve. If nobody says anything, it means they no longer care, so don't let them think otherwise by doing the exact opposite. Be receptive to these comments. You already demonstrate that you are a good angler, so there's nothing to prove in that department. Show them that you're humble, and you'll gain even more respect from these peers both in the online community and at the river.

X2, well said Rod.
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: TheLostSockeye on November 28, 2015, 07:33:55 AM
Kyle, if you are stopping because of the few feedbacks you got, then you're doing it for the wrong reason. These photos and reports are great, they keep people motivated and very entertaining for those who cannot get out.

When you put yourself out there, be it Instagram, fishing reports on the forum, YouTube, etc, you will get all sorts of feedbacks. There'll be praises, but there'll also be constructive criticisms, which should not be regarded as negativity. Dave's concerns are valid, and when someone who has decades of experience telling you that you may wish to improve on certain practice, then you should listen instead of being defensive. These people are telling you, not only because they care about the fish, but because they respect you as an angler who is willing to learn and improve. If nobody says anything, it means they no longer care, so don't let them think otherwise by doing the exact opposite. Be receptive to these comments. You already demonstrate that you are a good angler, so there's nothing to prove in that department. Show them that you're humble, and you'll gain even more respect from these peers both in the online community and at the river.
Thanks for posting this Rod! Yes i do agree 100% about what you are saying. I love the constructive criticisms as i take them and apply them to what im doing to try and become an even better angler. Thats why with the bulltrout i just caught it was in the water 100% of the time, even for the photo. I will continue to practice my C&R skills making sure no harm is done to the fish.

As For the reports yes i will definitely post a few when Jan-Feb rolls around. In december here i won't be able to fish as much 3-4 times week. But once January hits its Going to be weekdays for me. I also really like reading reports thats why i started posting them. The last few years not as many reports have been posted and ive been trying to fill a void. But once i get some nice big steelhead one day ill post a report for sure.
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: naka21 on November 28, 2015, 04:03:22 PM
Kyle, if you are stopping because of the few feedbacks you got, then you're doing it for the wrong reason. These photos and reports are great, they keep people motivated and very entertaining for those who cannot get out.

When you put yourself out there, be it Instagram, fishing reports on the forum, YouTube, etc, you will get all sorts of feedbacks. There'll be praises, but there'll also be constructive criticisms, which should not be regarded as negativity. Dave's concerns are valid, and when someone who has decades of experience telling you that you may wish to improve on certain practice, then you should listen instead of being defensive. These people are telling you, not only because they care about the fish, but because they respect you as an angler who is willing to learn and improve. If nobody says anything, it means they no longer care, so don't let them think otherwise by doing the exact opposite. Be receptive to these comments. You already demonstrate that you are a good angler, so there's nothing to prove in that department. Show them that you're humble, and you'll gain even more respect from these peers both in the online community and at the river.

Main word here.... HUMBLE
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: Knnn on November 28, 2015, 05:15:56 PM
Yeah I was practicing my C and R skills today will post photo when I get home.

Also caught my first steelhead of this season today!!!! Was a hatch but I let it go you know because it's the first one of the season! No pic of it cause I was fishing a steep drop off and nowhere to land fish.

Also I'm no longer going to be posting reports here. Everything will be on Instagram. If you want reports you can also Pm me or shoot me an email.

Good luck for steelhead season everyone!!! Tight lines and bent rods!!

Respect for taking the positive comments on board and practicing them.

Congrats on the steel and letting your first one of the season go.  I also do the same to appease the karma gods, well not really, more of a little self reminder/check that I don't need or want to be a meat fisherman.

I too share Rods thoughts on your decision to no longer post here.  It may be that myself and other more chronologically challenged anglers should get down wid da kids yo, and start to use Instagram, however I think that no longer posting your experience to this forum would be a shame. 

I have enjoyed your posts, so please take on the good advice, ignore the shyte and keep sharing the passion.  Hopefully you will inspire other anglers and help pass on the good things about our sport.





Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: TheLostSockeye on November 28, 2015, 07:22:53 PM
Didn't have to be careful with any of the fish i hooked today  ::)
Coho was chrome when i bonked i swear! Had out of water for a bit and it turned.

(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2148_zps0e01tgvm.jpg)

(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2159_zpsyykcczpd.jpg)

(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2161_zpssikbu0va.jpg)

2 chums, one was my dad's. Got one on second cast. nice skeins in both. On jigs i tied myself.

Going out tomorrow if i catch something will post. But after that pretty much done till jan-feb. Want the early season to me and my friends  :o ::)
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: dobrolub on November 28, 2015, 09:26:38 PM
Well done! Fish can get coloured up pretty quickly out of the water. Perhaps also colder temperatures speed this up, not sure.

I also had a channel caught silver red spring colour up within two hours while traveling from Vedder home in a car 12 V cooler.
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: Noahs Arc on November 29, 2015, 06:55:17 AM
Late season coho can do this for some reason, not really sure why either but I assume they know they're late to the party. Still tastes fine IMO.
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: TheLostSockeye on November 29, 2015, 04:56:19 PM
Found some beautiful fish today  ;D
Photo creds to my mom :D Thanks!

Fished first light it was -6 where we were.

(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/IMG_8140_zpsciukmay1.jpg)

(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/IMG_8148_zpsbm72gcz3.jpg)

These new cures ive been testing out are absolute fire!!

(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/IMG_8189_zpssb1qbpyi.jpg)

(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/IMG_8194_zpsveebvkyc.jpg)

(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/IMG_8199_zpshesacwub.jpg)

We then were to cold to continue fishing mid/upper so we headed lower. using the jigs i tied we hit

(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2166_zpstglh6s96.jpg)

(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2168_zpsxkcxalii.jpg)

singles in the one. Nice skeins in the other.

(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o719/kylerme/2169_zpsncfhupk8.jpg)
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: Tenz85 on November 29, 2015, 05:42:18 PM
Nice fish.

On the forecasts it looked colder in the valley than along the rivers but it was supposed to have been windy along the rivers..
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: Dave on November 29, 2015, 05:44:49 PM
Nice rbt and good release ;)

Sorry Kyle, but I have to wonder why you killed those chums?  I hope it wasn't for the bait.  Both were within days of spawning, one especially, and unless you and your family truly need these fish (and if that’s the case I apologize, and will forever rest mine) … why?
 
Your ability as an angler is unquestioned but your need to kill is worrying.  Again, just my $ .02 and depending on your response, probably my last post on this subject.
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: NothingToSnagAbout on November 29, 2015, 05:53:22 PM
Nice meeting you and your mom this morning, TLS. Fished the spot for another hour after you left, managed a nice chum on some purple wool. A couple others kept rolling around, too. Just curious how you keep the roe from freezing? Do you cut little golf balls ahead of time?
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: TheLostSockeye on November 29, 2015, 06:03:54 PM
Nice rbt and good release ;)

Sorry Kyle, but I have to wonder why you killed those chums?  I hope it wasn't for the bait.  Both were within days of spawning, one especially, and unless you and your family truly need these fish (and if that’s the case I apologize, and will forever rest mine) … why?
 
Your ability as an angler is unquestioned but your need to kill is worrying.  Again, just my $ .02 and depending on your response, probably my last post on this subject.
These fish were not days from spawning LOL!
Ok maybe the one was but singles are great steelhead bait!! The other one looks dark in the photo but it's actually Chrome I just took the pic on bad angle. It had nice skiens really tight. And we are having the Chrome one for dinner tonight! Other one goes in smoker

Yes I already have a lot of bait I get that. But I just received cures from out of country and I need more roe to test this stuff out. I have 5 colours of it so I go through a lot just to even test one colour.
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: TheLostSockeye on November 29, 2015, 06:05:06 PM
Nice meeting you and your mom this morning, TLS. Fished the spot for another hour after you left, managed a nice chum on some purple wool. A couple others kept rolling around, too. Just curious how you keep the roe from freezing? Do you cut little golf balls ahead of time?

Yeah even before I cure it I cut into little chunks. I put so much cure on that it can't freeze so I never have any issues. Yeah I got a few nice chums out of there to. Long line release though :)

Nice meeting you to!

If you see me around come say hi everybody.
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: redtide on November 29, 2015, 06:11:20 PM
NICE FISH! with all the coho you have been getting this year i may have to ask the hatchery to produce a couple thousand more eggs so we all have enough coho 4 years from now. ;) interested in your new cure formula as well. looks like a sure thing. Good job out there!
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: Brothersage on November 29, 2015, 06:19:35 PM
Really Dave??????  I think he's  had enough comments regarding his C&R which he has corrected and has worked on it but now your questioning if he's killing fish for roe or food. It's  a legal fish that he caught and killed and can do what he wants with it. If you look closely rather than jumping the gun and making a big deal about it he has the fish fillet in the pic. How about we all enjoy the updates and fish reports and look in the mirror before we speak. Good job out there and nice fish bud. TIGHT LINES!!!
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: fishing4salmon on November 29, 2015, 07:06:47 PM
Thank for the pictures and reports. Although I don't have time to go out everyday, looking at this always remind me of the good times i had in water and cure my itch  :D :D.

:: Kyle, I am the guy you met on lower river last week and I had the chrome Chum on below you. Thank you for sharing your jig with me. It is very hard to find an angler like you who is willing to and not afraid to share the tips with other.

Keep what you're doing here. Tight line!!
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: wizard on November 29, 2015, 07:22:58 PM
I think most guys would have at least let 1 if not both of those go and try for a fresher one but some guys wouldn't...Dave does make a good point, too many fish are killed just for the roe...other baits or approaches work just as well as roe no need to kill just for the roe...poor quality chum imo comes out as poor quality smoked, good to hear you eat everything though.
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: Dave on November 29, 2015, 07:26:35 PM
These fish were not days from spawning LOL!
Ok maybe the one was but singles are great steelhead bait!! The other one looks dark in the photo but it's actually Chrome I just took the pic on bad angle. It had nice skiens really tight. And we are having the Chrome one for dinner tonight! Other one goes in smoker

Yes I already have a lot of bait I get that. But I just received cures from out of country and I need more roe to test this stuff out. I have 5 colours of it so I go through a lot just to even test one colour.

Yes, those fish were but days from spawning; give your head a shake if you think otherwise.
Absolutely these fish are legal and I now understand the issue ,TLS, you're killing chums for eggs to test your new cures. Got it.
 
Brothersage, not sure what mirror you're speaking about?


Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: swimmingwiththefishes on November 29, 2015, 08:08:53 PM
Yes, those fish were but days from spawning; give your head a shake if you think otherwise.
Absolutely these fish are legal and I now understand the issue ,TLS, you're killing chums for eggs to test your new cures. Got it.
 
Brothersage, not sure what mirror you're speaking about?

Go Dave Go!  I've actually found the ones I get at Stupidstore fresh from the gillnet to be pretty tasty, cheaper and better than the spawned out late season fish.
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: ali2pali on November 29, 2015, 09:06:28 PM
Lay off the kid already. No one out there is perfect, including those of you critiquing his photos and posts. He clearly cares about the fish and the river in general. Save your time and energy for the hundreds of others on the river who are keeping anything and everything they catch using abysmal fishing/snagging methods.
I for one enjoy all the photos and reports TLS is posting. Keep it up. It would be a shame if you stopped.

 
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: redtide on November 29, 2015, 10:01:21 PM
theres nothing wrong with keeping salmon for roe and table fare. His family enjoys eating salmon as you all can see. Its YOUR opinion those chum are past keeping. Some pics dont show clearly how fresh the fish are. If you think he is just killing fish for roe experimentation you are wrong. Nothing wrong with what kyle is doing............( sigh! )  ::) maybe we should all relax and just go fishing. Good job Kyle.
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: Johnny Canuck on November 29, 2015, 10:20:42 PM
As long as the fish is used and not wasted what's the issue with killing it? NOTHING!

KILL KILL KILL
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: samw on November 29, 2015, 10:48:31 PM
Haven't been compelled in the past to sign up for Instagram.  But I'm signing up to Instagram now to follow you Kyle.  :)
 
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: Fish Assassin on November 29, 2015, 11:29:20 PM
I'll just stick with FWR.
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: samw on November 29, 2015, 11:34:20 PM

You may be killing Steelhead and not knowing it.

Photo by Louis Cahill

Steelheaders are generally pretty serious about catch-and-release, but it’s likely that many are mortally wounding fish without ever knowing it.

There are few species of fish as vulnerable as wild steelhead. These fish are beset on all sides by threats both natural and man-made. With their numbers dwindling, it’s safe to say, every steelhead counts. It’s vital that those of us who fish for them practice the best catch-and-release practices.

However, common landing practices can kill fish without the angler ever knowing. A team of biologists studying steelhead in British Columbia discovered this problem, quite by accident. These scientists were tagging steelhead with GPS trackers. They determined that the least intrusive way to capture the fish was, well, the same way we do it. With a fly rod. They landed the fish, tagged them with the GPS device and released them. When they went to their computer to track the fish’s progress they discovered something alarming.


Isn't the account of events in the article unsubstantiated?  There are no references to the account of events and no one knows who these biologists are.  It has been discussed here and in many forums before.  He wrote that article based on something that he "heard" from someone.

http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=34638.0

From the comments at the bottom of this link:

http://www.ginkandgasoline.com/steelhead/you-may-be-killing-steelhead-and-not-even-know-it/

The author states:
"I should say, I am not a scientist. That said, my practical experience backs up what I’ve been told here. If anyone reading this knows of published findings, pleas leave a comment and share what you know."

Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: BentRodsGuiding on November 30, 2015, 07:51:59 AM
That article about killing fish is hogsh!t.
Maybe Chris G can post a link to the study done on the Vedder River, where they tagged Steelhead caught using bait and monitored their survival.
The number of mortalities was very, very low and more reflects the truth about survival based on catch and release fishing for them.
I was involved with the Chehalis River broodstock program and of all the fish that were brought in during that time, I know of only 1 mortality.
This involved sticking Steelhead in a knapsack with minimal water and vertically hiking them out of canyons, we had to handle these fish far more than the average catch and release angler.

I agree with others to lay off Kyle and let him enjoy this stage of his progression as an angler. As anglers we all go through stages as we evolve. He will be given advice on different aspects of becoming a good angler on the river by experienced rods. Certainly hating on him from a keyboard by guys who don't fish enough to make themselves happy is not going to do it.

Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: chris gadsden on November 30, 2015, 10:18:29 AM
That article about killing fish is hogsh!t.
Maybe Chris G can post a link to the study done on the Vedder River, where they tagged Steelhead caught using bait and monitored their survival.
The number of mortalities was very, very low and more reflects the truth about survival based on catch and release fishing for them.
I was involved with the Chehalis River broodstock program and of all the fish that were brought in during that time, I know of only 1 mortality.
This involved sticking Steelhead in a knapsack with minimal water and vertically hiking them out of canyons, we had to handle these fish far more than the average catch and release angler.

I agree with others to lay off Kyle and let him enjoy this stage of his progression as an angler. As anglers we all go through stages as we evolve. He will be given advice on different aspects of becoming a good angler on the river by experienced rods. Certainly hating on him from a keyboard by guys who don't fish enough to make themselves happy is not going to do it.
Here you go. http://www.chilliwackwatershedstrategy.ca/Bibliography/DOCS/Nelson_et_al._2004_Vedder-Chilliwack_Steelhead.pdf
Title: Re: Vedder River November 25 - 26, 2015 !
Post by: bald_seagull on December 01, 2015, 02:30:48 PM
Keep up the good work, if you want to retain a legal fish, go right ahead.