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Fishing in British Columbia => Fly Fishing Cafe => Topic started by: fish-a-holic on July 09, 2005, 03:28:20 PM
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any onw heard any reports im thinking of going down there tommorrow
thx :)
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Never hear of anyone targeting cutts or the Veder although I am sure there are a few there. Most people fish the Veder for Spring, Coho, & Steelhead. A few people hit it for Whitefish, Dollies, and Bows. Let us know if you are successful.
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actually I went there a few days ago and had lots of success. Try floating line with a Chew Toy or a Stonefly for cutts and hatchery steelhead smolts up to 16inches! We mainly had success with the hatchery steelie smolts on stonefly's. My dad caught a 17 incher on a stonefly in the lower river. I hooked a bull or dollies on an egg-sucking leech. My buddy hooked a large 3lb. cutty, but lost it near his feet. If you are mainly targeting cutties, use minnow patterns like Rolled Muddlers, Mickey Finn's and Zonkers.
Oh and we were fishing the Lower River.
Coho Cody ;)
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thx alot lol my name is cody too :)
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what was your buddy usin?
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Heys cody what would you suggest using to target the trout and smolts on a float setup?
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haha...well for bpws (hatchery steelhead) you can use stonefly under a float! Small globbs of roe, wool, and spin-n-glo's work well for the hungry bows (hatchery steelies).
Coho Cody ;)
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Oh and my buddy FishKind was using a small dry flies called a "Chew Toy"
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cool thx can you send me a pic of the pattern so i can tie some ive never heard of it
thx :)
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Hey Cody what is a good size hook for the trout and smolts? and where about on the lower vedder where you hooking into them?
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Hey Cody what is a good size hook for the trout and smolts? and where about on the lower vedder where you hooking into them?
Right about now....I think that would be EVERYWHERE from Lickman down. I used to catch a lot on a Colorado blade. (was tossing for springs. Dumb fish.) Big hook, small hook, they don't seem to care.
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k im heading down to lickman right now ttyl..
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you gotta love it when the fish are hitting Stones. Try Stimulators for the adults.
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it's not a real good idea to target the steelhead smolts, there are risiduals smolts that stay in the river but most of the the smolts should be left alone so they can make thier way to the ocean.
As for cutts yes vedder can be good for searuns and fraser residents that enter the river to feed on the salmon fry,.
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Cody, I'm having a really hard time believing that you were catching 16 inch steelie smolts. I've caught returning steelhead that were only 20 inches. I appreciate your input but I think you may be a slightly overzelaous with your measurements.
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Biffchan, the hatchery puts in hatchery rainbows they say, but they are really hacthery steelhead smolts. They keep them in the hacthery for some time to give people some fun on the river with smaller ones, and bigger ones. it wasnt a hacthery cutty, which was my first guess when my dad brought it out of the water, but no slash and the colours of rainbow. it was for sure not a cutty. your also aloud to kepp them, but we didnt. Most of them were 7-9inches and few over and then my dads 16-17incher. it could have possobly been a hatchery rainbow? but alls I know is that we were mainly catching the steely smolts and a few cutties.
Boy some of you are picky!
Coho Cody ;)
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Oh and heres a link to shpw you guys
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishing_report/lower_mainland.html
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what was your buddy usin?
I was using a pink legged chew toy from sea-run in coquitlam
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So any updates ?
me and my dad are heading to the veddar on sunday .
Besides the chew toy , what else should I be throwin ?
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id give a blade a try if you wanna fly fish too a stone fly
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are you fishing above the crossing in the chilliwack part ? or the veddar canal area ?
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i was fishing by the campground on peach road
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ok thanks . man... I need a map of this place . I have been up to the tami creek site about 100 times , but still don't know the area when it comes to names of streets and such . I usally just walk down the river to find my spots , so i have probably been to that area but don't know it . any where to get a map of the river ?
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Vedder River (http://www.bcfishingreports.com/images/maps-vedder_river_salmon_jpg.jpg)
BTW the magical number for smallest steelhead has been bumped down to a measly 15 inches. Although according to the regs it must be 50cm (19.7inches) to be considered a steelhead.
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im sure if you ask someone in town they can tell you where to go or you can buy a map
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biffchan, they keep the steelhead smolts in the hatchery longer than they would if they wanted them to travel to sea. the hatchery is trying to improve the amount of so called "Resident Rainbows" which they want these smolts to become. by keeping the smolts in the hatch longer, they will not travel to sea ;)
Coho Cody ;)
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Cody, please read (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=7129.0).
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yeah
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Was there last night, fished some pocket water below the hatchery while the wife and kids had a swim at the lake. Two hours, 12 bows (10 to 12 inches) on Zulu & Elk Hair Caddis, all released. Not my beloved Thompson but good action for the lower mainland.
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What size flys ?
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#12 & #14
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Thanks ,
I am heading up to the veddar( below the crossing ) tomorow to see if i can have a little fun with the trouts . Spoons should work to I would gather ?
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Just got back from the river today . I was down at peach rd . Only landed a few small trout . SOOOOOO many kids down there they were swimming in all the nice pools and backwater pockets . so there was not much chance for me . I may go mid week and see waht happens
On another note : there were many people down there with salmon gear trying to try there luck . I did not see any landed all day .
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James it sounds like you were fishing mid day. Wrong time at this time of year you want to be fishing when the sun is off the water, early morning before the sun is on the water, or evening when the shadows start. The other evening when I was there I didn't see one fish jump untill the sun had been of the water for an hour. Better luck next time.
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yeah i thought of that . But it was kinda a day/pinic trip thing with a litlle fishing included , I did not expect to catch many . I am gonna head up next week in the evening , that way all the kids will be gone , the bugs ( if any will be out ) and there will be alot more shady areas on the river .
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Cody, The chilliwack hatchery raises only steelhead smolts and not domestic rainbows for the angler. We do not hold some fish longer to get them up to a size so that the angler will have more fun with them. All the fish you are catching are potential steelhead migrants. Not all steelhead smolts migrate out in the spring. There is a fall migration that takes place in the fall.There is a large size differece in the fish depending mainly on temperatue of the water and time of ponding . The largest fish are the first ponded and are in the range of 100 to 250 grams.( HALF POUND ) All these smolts are released the first week in May and are transporterd to release sites in the lower river. Remember you may be removing or potetially harming smolts that could return as an adult 2 - 3 yrs down the road.
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What the hell are you doing targeting steelhead smolts? That is sometimg that should never be done. There are too few steelhead left to be targeting thier young. Shame on you and anyone else that finds sport in doing something so disgusting. If you want to flyfish for trout go to the Skagit! :(
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the hacthery actually stocks it and hope that they become resident rainbows
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thats all i've heard ;)
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Back in the early 90's I questioned a large number people on how to tell a steelhead from a rainbow. I got answers like steelhead are larger than rainbows, rainbows are fatter than steelhead, steelhead are shinier than rainbows, and then the best of them all steelhead had a matelic sheen to their heads. Then I asked fisheries and found out that the only true way to determine if a fish is a steelhead is the examine the scales under a microscope. So how do you know that those fish are steelhead and not rainbows. Who's to say they are not migrants from a lake stocking or some wayward residents from the fraser. One evening last summer out of bordum I fished the Stave expecting to c&r a bunch of fanfries. "Dong" to my shock I hit some 18 inch bows. Where did they come from? My only guess is wayward residents from the fraser. Is it too much of a stretch to think that there may be some in the Vedder also? Well, maybe for some; but not me. 48 yeras of angling has taught me nothing is written in stone.