Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fly Fishing Cafe => Topic started by: SkagitDreamer on July 23, 2014, 09:49:36 AM
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Hello all - I've only ever fished my Sage ds 490 with 4wt lines for both floating and sink tip. I'm changing my floating line (I believe there is currently a 4wt rio wf equipped) and wondering about over-lining to something like a WF 5f Rio Gold with the hopes of better control/casting in tight, sometimes windy conditions while hiking places like the skagit and nicola. After some reading I found some prefer to under-line but, doubt my skills could afford me proficiency as such (though the arguments for finesse presentations and less resistance in wind are warranted). Would over-lining kill the presentation of smaller fly sizes or limit then altogether? Would it spook fish more readily? Any suggestions? Though content with my 4wt line, I'm leaning towards change via a 5wt.
Thanks for any advice or suggestions.
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Almost all modern graphite rods can be over or underlined by one weight.
I haven't casted one but the info I have says that the DS is considered an accurate weight tool, meaning that it should cast a 4wt line 30-50 feet very well. If you are making shorter casts or feel that the rod is not loading properly with the 4wt line then you could try moving to a true 5wt line like the Rio Gold.
I'm not sure it will improve control and it won't help in the wind if you are overloading the rod blank.
Underlining is typically reserved for those making very long casts with a lot more weight aerialized.
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Thanks, Typhoon.
Yes, the rod flings out the 4wt without effort. I definitely don't need to under-line then because I don't need that extra distance... maybe just a bit more snap in those required moments when I don't have much back-casting space or punching through wind. My next rod to replace this will be a quicker action one with modern composites but I'm not there yet :)
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If I am fishing in tight places, I like to use a 5wt line on my 4wt Sage. I find it easier to roll cast with the heavier line.
When looking for distance in open areas, I stick to the line wt marked on the rod. As for casting in heavy wind, the only solution the works for me is to go up to a heavier wt rod.
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Makes sense. Thanks Knife. Think I'll try the 5wt line and see the difference. Can't wait :)
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I've got two rods I am up lined on... A 4wt Redington and a 6wt LOOP rod, both perform exceptionally well. That's why they remain setup this way.
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try looking into some of the dry lines that are half weight lines. I fish an Airflo Sixth Sense 4/5wt line on my 4wt Sage. proper 4wt line didn't load it properly at shorter distance but when I went to this half weight line it performed beautifully and I can also blast long distance casts when I need to without having to move down to a true 4wt line.
If you can get into M&Y with your rod then try test casting some lines on your rod and see what feels best. They usually have demo lines of many brands and line weights
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Thanks Hook. Yes MY fly shop is where I bought all my gear but I'm in kamloops currently. I was down there a couple days ago but time management isn't one of my fortés lol still, I'll check out wholesale sports. Really sounds like a similar situation and a great remedy lay in the 4/5! Appreciate this! Looks like tomorrow I'll look around and then secure a line... Really think it'll be a 4/5. Cheers!
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RIO has their Grande line. It's awesome, half size higher. So you would be 4.5 when you buy the 4 wt RIO Grande line. Check it out.
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Woot! Thanks Flytech - you guys are a great help. Now I'm on a mission. I know the rio is stocked, not sure about the airflo. I'll let you know. :)
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The airflo sixth sense i know is a lake full sinking line series (I have the Di5).
If they do make dry versions that is great. I believe however that the airflo 40+ is a half size heavier.
And I wish Kamloops had a good fly shop...pain im the but when the products you want (wapsi) are replaced by super fly.
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Hi Clarkii. Yes there is a floating wf sixth sense - the no stretch sounds great. And yes it sucks to go from good shops to the ones I have however, rio has a no stretch line I'm hoping they have here - think it's the perception line (edit). Great reviews but no half weights so it would have to be a full over line. Appreciate the help and info on the 40+, thanks.
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Rio now has an intouch Grand. Here is the link.
http://www.rioproducts.com/fly-lines/freshwater/trout/intouch-rio-grand/
They have done this with the Grand, Gold, Trout LT WF and Trout LT DT
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Well, because of the good advice on the topic (the rio grand and airflo sixth sense, over-lining) I opted to over line with a rio perception - pushing the limits on my reel's capacity lol Ill have to try it and report back but thank you all again! What a great forum full of experienced and skilled folks who have a common interest. :)
It's not even on my rod yet hehe but here it is..
(http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag316/alphonsegallo/frr/CF2A3530-C077-4510-A229-345D11C91DF6_zpsw9w8r6o0.jpg) (http://s1371.photobucket.com/user/alphonsegallo/media/frr/CF2A3530-C077-4510-A229-345D11C91DF6_zpsw9w8r6o0.jpg.html)
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You'll LOVE having that connectcore over any other line you have used previously. Having a "no stretch" core on any fly line helps amazingly at feeling even the slightest bumps. I bought the Connectcore running line for my 8wt spey this past winter season and I could feel all the little bumps against the bottom or from any fish, I even caught a fish the first day using it :D
I'm not entirely sure why you went with the Perception line but then again I'm not 100% up on all of their new lines...........yet
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Thanks Hook!
The low stretch was a big consideration for me and the two lines I researched both seem great, the rio being available. I can't wait to try mending or getting one on with a drifted nymph... The reviews are superb but hearing from fellow anglers like yourself are what counts. Fish on your first day? Grats :D
I may have to toss some flies in the Thompson tomorrow. :)
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Thanks Hook!
The low stretch was a big consideration for me and the two lines I researched both seem great, the rio being available. I can't wait to try mending or getting one on with a drifted nymph... The reviews are superb but hearing from fellow anglers like yourself are what counts. Fish on your first day? Grats :D
I may have to toss some flies in the Thompson tomorrow. :)
Fish on my first day with an entirely new spey setup not my first time spey fishing (thought I should clarify)
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Yes, first fish on new setup :)
I've never Spey fished so my tally is 0 period lol I'm envious of those that do - bit of an art
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Ok got out and tested some roll casts, pick ups, double hauls and everything but drifting/mending due to the slack water I fished. First, I was concerned a full (4 -> 5) over line may be too much (I know some good suggestions for 4 -> 4.5 were offered) but it is bliss! The lil 490 seems to come alive with quick, precise casts - as if it had been waiting for a 5wt line. So far, it seems the best setup I've gone with. Second, the perception line sublimely improves all aspects of casting (I guess) due to lack of stretch. The result is better response and control, for me anyhow. Having no fish on the new setup, it's probably only fitting to do that on the Skagit, where the subtle improvements in mending, drifting, hook-ups and the like are highly anticipated based on my testing. The color system is alright, changing at 20 and 37 feet, and certainly made me aware of distance yet wasn't a selling feature for me. Overall, at this point, I'm very pleased with both the idea to over line and the choice of a low-stretch line. Thanks for all the help - this set- up suits my needs perfectly :)