Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: chris gadsden on November 28, 2005, 04:12:29 PM
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The Liberals fell by a vote of 171 to 133 today in the House of Commons on a vote of Non - Confidence. Hopefully the present government will be thrown out this time for all their scandals the last few years including the mismanagement of our fishery here on the West Coast. >:(
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Whoever we elect is a bunch of thieves. It just takes a while for the truth to surfaced. Look at the NDP in this province; didn't take long for them to be in cohoots with the Liberals to vote themselves a 15% pay raise. It was only a big public outcry that the NDP and Liberals backed down. I have very little faith in politicians. :(
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I hope no one on this forum believes that the Conservatives will look after our fish any better than the Liberals did.
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I hope no one on this forum believes that the Conservatives will look after our fish any better than the Liberals did.
I know for a fact they will. ;D
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All three parties has FN first plance. Fish doesn't even register in the Federal politician. They only understand it as a barganing chip.
Scandals?? 12years ago BC premier was also involved in a scandal. NDP same thing.
A friend once told me all politicians are banana. I guess his right. Have anyone of you seen a totally straight banana?
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I know for a fact they will. ;D
Will it get them elected as a majority government? If not, don't count on anyone even promising to do anything. And not just a local MP... The PARTY head. They guy that makes the policy. Your local Joe may care about the fish, but if he can't get the ear of the boss.....it's just another non-minister trying to get the party leader's ear.
What did the conservatives do for the fish back in the 80's when they had one of the biggest majorities ever seen in parlimentary history?
[Silence......]
I thought so.
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DS in all respect the Conservatives have different people than in the 1980's. As well we did not have strong organizations those days like the SDA and other groups that are working hard to protect our fishing opportunities and protect the fish for the future. I for one will continue to do all I can until I make my last cast to work with our politicans to make this happen.
On the other hand if you are right we might as well kiss our fish goodbye. Just look at the other thread where there may be new SARA listing including Interior Coho.
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Sorry Chris but I don't think for a moment that fish is a high priority with any of the 3 main parties.
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Sorry Chris but I don't think for a moment that fish is a high priority with any of the 3 main parties.
Well it should be as it is a multi million dollar industry.
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Sure glad that everyone doesn't just sit back and give up. I guess if there is no use in fighting for our right to fish etc, Chris, that you and guys like Bill Otway might as well quit trying to make a difference. You could then spend more time fishing until the last fish is gone. Thank goodness we have a few people that keep trying to look after our fishing interests.
It is no wonder that the Sportsfishing Defence Alliance executive is close to burn out at times with the lack of support from the tens of thousands of fishermen that enjoy the sport but do virtually nothing about standing behind the hard working people that are attempting to protect our rights.
Keep at it Chris and Otway etc. I just hope you will keep trying and not just say "what's the use, no one in Gov't will do anything!" You have to keep pushing, through the government committees and through the court system. This takes time, effort and money. I for one am certainly glad you are not willing to give up the fight!
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I never said it wasn't worth the fight, but to think that one political party will be better than the other w.r.t. fish is just setting yourself up for dissapporintment.
It's precisely BECAUSE they all suck at looking after our fish that we need to keep hounding them. We need to be the thorn in their side.
No, certainly don't give up, or it WILL be over. People like the SDA etc are admirable in their ability to keep banging their heads against that brick wall. Every so often a little chip of the wall falls off, and they pay attention. Tough work! And I'm glad someone is doing it, that's for sure.
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So what kind of heads chips the wall faster? ;) Ironhead? Leadhead? :)
Like what Lew said, it is very tiring for those who continue to fight while no new people get involved. Being active in fishery issues would only benefit you. There is a self-interest when I become involved in a particular issue, it would be stupid to deny that. I want to fish, and I intend to make sure I get to fish, and I intend to make sure the fish that I want to catch do not get cleaned up by others.
It doesn't take up much of anyone's time to get involved. If everyone chips in a couple of hours per month to help out, then the process would be a lot faster.
The SDA, Fraser Valley Salmon Society, Chilliwack Vedder River Cleanup Coalition, etc always look for new people to get involved. All of the above groups work to ensure the quality of everyone's fishing experience improves in the Fraser Valley. PM Chris etc to get more info on volunteering. :)
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DS in all respect the Conservatives have different people than in the 1980's. As well we did not have strong organizations those days like the SDA and other groups that are working hard to protect our fishing opportunities and protect the fish for the future. I for one will continue to do all I can until I make my last cast to work with our politicans to make this happen.
On the other hand if you are right we might as well kiss our fish goodbye. Just look at the other thread where there may be new SARA listing including Interior Coho.
When selecting who to vote for, you can follow Fred Flintstone approach by asking:
Who's baby is that?
What's your angle?
Or in a more vernacular, you can ask:
Who's your daddy?
The conservatives never was and never will be for protecting the environment. As George Bush said that it is okay for global temperature to go up a few degrees. (We know how a couple of degrees higher in water temparature did in the southern US.)
Conservative has always been pro-corporate business and always will be. That's where they get their money from. So we know who's their daddy.
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Never give up! Fishing, like no other sport, should have taught us all to never give up. Every day, every piece of water and every run is different. Politics is the same. Politics is another challenge and another puzzle, until you finally hit on the right combo of lure and presentation. Liberal, Conservative, NDP, Block Q, or whatever. They are all fish. You just have to adapt to getting from them the most you can. I don't think it's easier with any one party. They are all the same. But, they are there and will be there probably longer than the fish in the river. So, go fish! Doesn't matter which species you are after (Liberal, Conservative, NDP, Block Q or whatever), go get them! ;D ;D And, never give up. It's your country and your rivers which are at stake.
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Matuka Jack you don't think the Liberals are in Cahoots with big Business? Paul " register my ships out of the country so I don't have to pay Canadian Taxes" Martin is the head of that government that thinks Bombardier needs millions and millions of your dollars to do R & D work they should be doing themselves? They are all in with big business even the NDP because when push comes to shove that is how things are done everywhere. The best we can do is to try and hold them accountable. A minority Conservative government may be the most beneficial to the country.
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I find this thread already very interesting given that the election has just been called and can't resist putting in my two-bits worth. I am a FORMER federal Liberal supporter but will be supporting the Conservatives this time. Why? I thought you would never ask!
In my opinion, the current Federal Liberal Party is corrupt and does not deserve our support. There are no other words to describe its record given the evidence we have to date. To say that other governments have had scandals and they are all the same is oversimplification. If we re-elect the Liberals, we are saying we accept its record and behviour. We will then have the government we deserve. This is not good enough for us.
In my opinion, the Liberals don't deserve to be re-elected. It's as simple as that. When they are defeated, Liberals will clean out the current power holders and once again become a respected political party.
We will hear a great deal about winter elections and "being forced to go out and vote during wind, rain and sleet." I personally will go through snow drifts as high as a house to cast my ballot. What an opportunity we have ! Don't mess it up ! It's up to each and every one of us to say, "Enough is enough!"
See you on the river. I'm the one with the Toronto Maple Leaf hat.
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Matuka Jack you don't think the Liberals are in Cahoots with big Business? Paul " register my ships out of the country so I don't have to pay Canadian Taxes" Martin is the head of that government that thinks Bombardier needs millions and millions of your dollars to do R & D work they should be doing themselves? They are all in with big business even the NDP because when push comes to shove that is how things are done everywhere. The best we can do is to try and hold them accountable. A minority Conservative government may be the most beneficial to the country.
A minority Conservative government will never happen. However, A Bloc Q and Conservative can band together to form the next Government. If voters in Western Canada vote Conservative and as we know, Quebec will vote Bloc Q (Quebec Conservatives). This would result with the Bloc Q dictating policy for the rest of Canada.
Think about the consequences of your vote. The future of Canada is at stake.
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Which may not be good, expecialy for western Canada.
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The Bloc is already in bed with the Conservatives.
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Yes and in history, conservatives pay more attention towards the east. Mainly Quebec and Ontario.
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I have thought about the consequences of my vote. Any one who would accept rampant criminal activity and corruption just becasue they are afraid of something the Conservatives might do deserves to have their pocket picked by the Liberals. And by the way you can thank the federal Liberals for the mess were in with the Bloc. If they hadn't had their head up their butts and think they could "buy" the loyalty of Quebecers Canada would not be in this mess. The blame goes all the way back to Trudeau. And as far as the conservatives paying more attention to the East how would we be worse off than we are now with the Liberals who don't even know where the West is?
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Voting for a party is scary. Before Liberal's long reign back in Trudeau's days 16 years. Canadian economy was great. But Trudeau made the social 'benefit' system better, strong government influence on economy, effectively leaned Canada towards a socialist society. And during Trudeau's years in power, Canada starts it's conquest to become world second highest debted country right behind USA. If you look into past. Everytime a shift in party, the next 4 years will have the highest government expenditure. And soon after that tax hike.
And twice during last 2 elections. Reform party has candidates openingly making racist comments. The truth is, I miss Mulroney's days. That is when we saw the best economy in BC and Canada as a whole.
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I am with Terry's idea. The Liberal screwed up fishery management big time (non-existing management?) and they deserve to be replaced. The scandal adds to the flame. Time to extinguish the flame and try something new. I will vote PC just to get my personal vent about the Liberal's record on fishery management. BwiBwi is right on. Bring back the PC. If all members in the fishing community across the country are united to bring back PC, then perhaps they will listen to our group more. Time for a change. No more cut backs on fishery budget while the Liberals gave away our tax money to their friends big time. ;)
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Sorry Chris but I don't think for a moment that fish is a high priority with any of the 3 main parties.
Well it should be as it is a multi million dollar industry.
it may be a multi million dollar industry but the liberals are trying to make it worthless. It is worth a lot less now than 20 years ago. With any luck the conservatives will get elected. THe guy from delta/richmond (john cummins I think) will try his best to make sure there is enough fish for the commercial guys, so that will mean enough for us sporties. Vote PC!
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Sorry Chris but I don't think for a moment that fish is a high priority with any of the 3 main parties.
Well it should be as it is a multi million dollar industry.
it may be a multi million dollar industry but the liberals are trying to make it worthless. It is worth a lot less now than 20 years ago. With any luck the conservatives will get elected. THe guy from delta/richmond (john cummins I think) will try his best to make sure there is enough fish for the commercial guys, so that will mean enough for us sporties. Vote PC!
It is up to YOU to ask the questions of the people running in your area.
If NO ONE asks about fish then they all think there is NO PROBLEM.
So, go to the meetings and ask the questions. That is the only way fishing gets addressed!
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Thankfully our MP is well versed on the fishing issues and even took the time to come to our SDA fundraiser two weeks ago.
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I wonder which party (read between the lines Conservative) Jimmy pattison and his commercial fishing fleet support?
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Chris,
Your and my MP is heads above any other MP that I've observed. And, yes, we are very lucky to have him represent us in Ottawa. If he is in town, he will normally turn up at most functions. I've seen him, with his family, many times on the Vedder. I would vote for him regardless of the party he represented. We've seen what the Liberals can do. :-[ :-[
It's time for a change.
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Yes I like what Nostro says. Election should have been voting for a good MP regardless of party. But because many of them belongs to a political party, many a times they have the political burden. They need to do what the party ask of them to do. Even though they might believe otherwise. Sometimes I wish there is no political party and each MP is on his/her own. This way there is no burden on the MP, and they can truely voice what they believe.
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Forget about your vote for a moment.
If you want to effect policy then who is elected and who is not are questions totally beside the point. Party politics is a smoke screen, they are all the same, they make the same promices, they brake the same promices. They follow the same policy trends from government to government and from party to party. That's a fact. Governments in this era are not the all powerfull entities of years past.
If you want to make a difference to it though extraelectoral means. Activism, organizing and taking actions. Shoving a piece of paper in a box and crossing your fingers is not effective at all. It just gives politicos free run NOT to do what you want. Voting is only the smallest part of our liberal democratic rights. It's not the whole pie, it is but a crumb.
Rodney is totally right in this. Hopes and wishes aren't going to save anything.
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What leads you to believe the conservatives will be any more effective in dealing with our fisheries?!?! The fact that youre voting conservative? PC's track record sides with big business...and big business does not side with conservation. Disagree with that and I have a number of bridges to sell you.
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The current policy of the Liberals is just not fish-friendly besides the scandle of wasting our tax money. It just cannot continue on with relentless fishery budget cut. They cut funding even they have record surpluses, which tells you how low they rank fishery on their priority list. Budget cut reflects in hatchery stocking cut (look, they just cut 600K coho off from the Chilliwack/Vedder) and also lacking enforcement. Time for a change. Politics can make a difference to your fishing & mine. Look at the stocking done for Expo 86, and the fantastic fishing that followed. Unless Liberals can reassure the fishing community that they can do better, I don't see any reason they should get votes from fishermen of all sectors. Time for a new begining. If the PC can keep big business like BC Packers fully operating with tons of surplus fish to harvest, I am sure sporties don't mind getting their small share. Gee, I better stop before I sound like campaigning. ;D But I speak the truth. Can any one see the way out on fishery with Liberals for another term. ???
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Good post funfish. Working closely the last few years in a number of fishing organizations that have dealt with the present Federal Government I have found out they have been a disaster in so many ways.
Of course most people that follow things in the news know that as well so my statement will be nothing new.
If nothing else lets give the Conservatives a chance to try to put some honesty and integrity back into government.
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Alright Captain Conservative (insert heroic music here), what is the Conservatives platform on fisheries?
"If nothing else..." what kind of endorsement is that? There is a lot else. Sure the liberals are slimy pigs, OK. But there is no reason to believe that the Cons will be any better. They've been out of government for 12 years, that means they have 12 years of support and favors to pay back.
Your not even arguing about fish, your arguing about how you support the Cons. Why believe them? Because they say so?
Well, I've studied politics for years and one very interesting thing that I've noticed is that 9 times out of 10, 9 of 10 people will tell you that you can't trust a politician, but at election time this commonsense piece of knowledge gets thrown out in favor of debates over what those same politicians say?!
Odd, well good luck! Because I really don't think it matters who gets elected: we and the fish will continue our steady decline. Don't take this personally, I'd accost anyone pitch a party. ;D
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Just a thought...
Spain March 2004: Al-Qaida attacks Madrid in a coordinated series of commuter train bombings causing almost 2000 casualties. This was in retaliation to Spain involvement with the United States in the invasion of Iraq.
England July 2005: Al-Qaida attacks London's public transportation system... (this happened recently so I'm sure everyone remembers)
Anyone remember which party supported the invasion? Remember Steven Harper passionately calling on the Liberal government to support the US invasion? I'll never forget the sound bites of Harper telling the Canadian people that Canada should support the US led war on the basis that the US is our neighbour and that we should blindly follow them.
In hind sight, there is no question that if the Liberals hadn't kept us out of Iraq, we as Canadians would have been direct victims of terrorism like those in London and Madrid.
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Anyone else think its absurd to base your vote on the "speculated" fisheries policies of a given party??? There ARE bigger issues...
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I find it discusting that people are willing to vote for a certain party out of spit towards another party. This happened in the provincial election in 2001. The provincial Liberals won by a land slide based soley on the fact the everyone despised the NDP and look at what we ended up with. I know for a fact that the Conservative candidate in my riding will win by a lnadslide, however, I will still go vote. 1. Because if you don't vote you have no right to b!tch 2. Even though I know the Conservative will win I want him to know that we're watching and that he still has to be accountable.
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Right on biff!
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if you don't vote you have no right to b!tch
Total rubbish!! Our right to "b!tch" is totally separate and distinct from our right to vote. Period. It is voters, not non-voters, that bare responsibility. If I think they are all scum, I have to vote for scum in order to be able to call them scum? That's just foolish.
Voters and the people who support voting are the people that legitimize the government, it's actions, and the shotty system that continually draws on these parasites to be our "leaders".
What if you opinions can't be expressed by voting?
The lesser of 2 evils is still undeniably evil.
Go ahead and vote if you want, but mathematically the likelyhood of your vote picking your MP, let alone the PM, is about the same as winning three lotto 649s in a row. If you call stuffing a pointless piece of paper in a ballot box every few years effective democratic participation, then you have my most sincere sympathies. But don't blame non-voters for what voters perpetuate.
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Biff are you even old enough to vote!! ;D ;D
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If I think they are all scum, I have to vote for scum in order to be able to call them scum? That's just foolish.
Ever heard of spoiling your ballot?
Voters and the people who support voting are the people that legitimize the government, it's actions, and the shotty system that continually draws on these parasites to be our "leaders".
By not voting you are turning your back to the descision making process. I know I would sleep better at night knowing that I did not sit idly by as a corrupt goverment was let into power.
What if you opinions can't be expressed by voting?
Then you need to start listening to Rage.
Go ahead and vote if you want, but mathematically the likelyhood of your vote picking your MP, let alone the PM, is about the same as winning three lotto 649s in a row. If you call stuffing a pointless piece of paper in a ballot box every few years effective democratic participation, then you have my most sincere sympathies. But don't blame non-voters for what voters perpetuate.
I will go ahead and vote and yes I realize that it will likley have little effect to the final outcome of the election. Actually, as I have stated before, I know my candidate doesn't stand a chance. The point I am making is that I'm sick of those apathetic loosers (cause thats what they are) whining about heathcare, education, tuition, etc. yet they can't even make the effort to get their asses to the voting station on account of the thought: "whats the point, its not like my vote is going to make a difference anyways". No way, if you are making an informed decision to not vote then I have no issue with that, but I can not stand apathy.
Oh yeah, BS I've voted in the last provincial and federal elections.
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And if you don't see a candidate that represents your views: Run yourself. If nobody else agrees with your views, you won't get elected. If they do, you'll make a difference.
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And if you don't see a candidate that represents your views: Run yourself. If nobody else agrees with your views, you won't get elected. If they do, you'll make a difference.
Easier said than done DS. If you lack monetary means, your chances of being elected is Zero
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Ever heard of spoiling your ballot?
Umm, biff... that's not voting
By not voting you are turning your back to the decision making process. I know I would sleep better at night knowing that I did not sit idly by as a corrupt government was let into power.
Who says I sit idly? What do you do between votes? Sit idly?
Then you need to start listening to Rage.
Start listening? ???
I'm sick of those apathetic loosers...
Perhaps they're not apathetic losers? Perhaps they are very politically active in other ways and/or their politics don't fit in a check box on a piece of paper. Voting and then sitting on ones but for four years is apathetic. Voting is only the smallest begging to our democratic rights, not the be all and end all.
Oh yeah, BS I've voted in the last provincial and federal elections.
And the world is a better place because of it? 8)
And DS, that is how all politicians got into the game. They electoral system has and amazing power destroy and mutilate the best of intentions.
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People who dont vote, to me, are just wannabe anarchists. DO SOMETHING.
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People who dont vote, to me, are just wannabe anarchists. DO SOMETHING.
As I've said TWICE in this thread alone: voting is NOT the only means of action.
I am simply baffled by how so many people can read over me saying that, not respond to it, and then yet again say that people who don't vote don't do anything. Remarkable.
Have you signed a petition? Have you attended or organized a rally? Have you written letters to the media, politicians? Joined any sort of political organization, whatsoever, ever? Have you been involved in political life in any way other than marking an "X" every few years. For most people the answer would be no.
It is truly disturbing how so many people can do nothing (in this I INCLUDE voting) and then shout from their high horses about how they hate people are not doing anything.
This is my major problem with voting: besides doing no good, and legitimizing the whole charade, it convinces people that they are doing something so that the don't feel the need to get involved in any more effective way.
Think: If voting was a threat to the establishment, would they spend millions of our tax dollars encouraging us to do it?
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Have you signed a petition? Yes
Have you attended or organized a rally? Yes
Have you written letters to the media, politicians? Yes
Joined any sort of political organization, whatsoever, ever? Yes
Have you been involved in political life in any way other than marking an "X" every few years. Yes
The sad thing is, the more you attend the more you think the public need better information. Many options, choices, consquencies are just not in plain sight.
Making decition just from short news broadcast, a few paragraphs in the newspaper here and there, is just not enough.
Chris being envolved with negotiating with politicians he probably will know each seemed simple yes no question will effect a good number of other subjects.
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I agree, Bwibwi. Issues are too complicated to be addressed in a news clip or some political spot. But people don't seem to really want to know how complicated things are. It's easier for busy people to have simple opinions about what the perceive as simple issues.
For the most part voters are so underinformed that I don't consider the voting results to be a good measure of anything. It's a selfselection opinion poll. It's totally invalid from a scientific perspective, but it's the "perfect" way to pick a government :-\
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Whats absurd is following your argument to its logical end, nobody voting. What then? You have a plan to get things working? Give me a break. If everybody voted, we'd have a representative government. Trouble is, many people share the same attitude as you do, and dont contribute to the process....and the status quo is upheld. People the world over that dont take the right to vote for granted like you do would die for the opportunity for their children to live in a country like ours where it is possible....i wouldnt call it shouting from a highhorse encouraging people to vote...
As for voting being an "establishment" means of controlling the masses, I think without proof of some massive conspiracy that falls a little short....
I DO agree that most people who vote are uninformed. If more people were informed voters, maybe you would feel different? To me, its a shame that somebody like you ISNT voting; you are the ideal person to vote, youre informed, passionate and decisive.....
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...If everybody voted, we'd have a representative government. Trouble is, many people share the same attitude as you do, and dont contribute to the process....
And yet again I point out that voting is not the only way to contribute.
It's not a "conspiracy", it's structural.
As far as every one voting being better... In Australia it is a crime not to vote. They have a voter turnout of around 90%. It Australia a liberal-democratic utopia? No. Even a brief inquiry into into the matter will show that their parliament deal with the same old stuff, and in the same old way as every other legislative body.
Thank you for your complaments, but even if I did vote (and there was someone worth voting for) it would be counteracted by some overly emotional, easily swayed, reactionary and possibly sociopathic voter for the other side. Who know?
So many decisions are not up for election. Do we get to vote on GM thowing 50,000 workers to the curb? No. Do we vote on the importation/export of toxic/radioactive material? No. There are millions of life changing decisions made every day that are simply beyond the scope of government.
As for people who died for democracy, our current "democracies" are the products of revolutionary struggles like the French, British and American revolutions. Do think that people that fought and died in order to form parliaments in the first place would be very happy to see how their legacy has developed over time (hijacked). We have countries run by the same type of wealth and privilege they feed to muskets and guillotines 200 years ago. Liberal democracy at its root IS revolutionary. I'm not some odd new radical, it is people with my views that made parliaments a reality to begin with. "It's better than nothing" or claiming that I don't care about the people who died for democracy are not valid points. The people who dies originally would not be very impressed with the people who encourage us to vote for the lesser of two or three evils.
If anyone doesn't believe me, read "Common Sense" my Thomas Payne THEN get back to me.
Thomas Jefferson thought that America should have a revolution every 10 years or so in order to clean out the established power. If you look at Canada and the US now you can see why.
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Must be nice to be so infallible that voting is beneath you. To paraphrase, democracy is a lousy system but is the 10 times better than the other s out there. If you don't want to particpate in the process I don't give a rats my friend about your opinion about it. Go join the rest of your irrelevant comrades in beliviing you can change the world from the outside.
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This is why I don't join in political debates.
Must be nice to be so infallible that voting is beneath you. To paraphrase, democracy is a lousy system but is the 10 times better than the other s out there. If you don't want to particpate in the process I don't give a rats my friend about your opinion about it. Go join the rest of your irrelevant comrades in beliviing you can change the world from the outside.
It always degrades to this!! Be nice guys, eveyone has a right to their own opinion and a right to voice them!!! No need to start calling someone down because they think differently then you!!
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Well it's all in the name.
This is why I don't join in political debates.Must be nice to be so infallible that voting is beneath you. To paraphrase, democracy is a lousy system but is the 10 times better than the other s out there. If you don't want to particpate in the process I don't give a rats my friend about your opinion about it. Go join the rest of your irrelevant comrades in beliviing you can change the world from the outside.
It always degrades to this!! Be nice guys, eveyone has a right to their own opinion and a right to voice them!!! No need to start calling someone down because they think differently then you!!
Democracy, human rights.... all's good. But when is it too much?
When we get less than 2/3 voting population to vote and when the most voted for candidate only account for 35% or anything below 50% is he/she a true representative for the majority? In the eyes of law yes but to mathmatical numeration and logic... no.
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John Cummings for fishery minister! If PC wins, he will definitely be the best & most informed federal fishery minister for BC. I have never heard any MP who is more in touch with our fishery and who has been always speaking on the side of the sport fishing community. Too bad I don't live in his riding.
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John Cummings is a joke. He's the Conservatives version of the NDP's Svend Robinson. If I recall Harper removed Cummings as the fisheries critic. Very unlikely he will be appointed Fisheries Minister.
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you may not like the man [ Cummings]
but you must admit he is a one issue candidate
and the one issue is >>>>>>>>>>>> SALMON
a simple fisherman who got involved in the Reform party
because he wanted change
is he a good politician ??? probably not
it takes years of training to learn to speak without saying anything.
and they teach that primarily in law school and political sciences ,
how can you expect a simple fisherperson to catch on ?.
Cummins has my vote and has as long as i live in his riding .
simply because he cares about his main issue SALMON
and does more than any politician to bring publicity to that issue .