Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: jon5hill on February 04, 2010, 10:47:16 AM
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I am curious why so many prefer to use non-fixed floats with float stoppers on the river instead of the conventional fixed options.
Every person I've seen on the river with a drennan, foam, or balsa float that is not fixed, fixes it there anyways with float stoppers. 1 float stop above, 1 or 2 below to stop it from sliding around.
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When you break off a toothpick inside a drennan it is there for good.
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Alright, so it's pretty easy to do that as opposed to adding float stoppers. I can see some semblance of a point now.
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I am curious why so many prefer to use non-fixed floats with float stoppers on the river instead of the conventional fixed options.
Every person I've seen on the river with a drennan, foam, or balsa float that is not fixed, fixes it there anyways with float stoppers. 1 float stop above, 1 or 2 below to stop it from sliding around.
Easier to make adjustments when you use a toothpick in the float's centre pipe. Moved from a deep run to a shallow run? No problem, just slide the float shallower and re-pin with the toothpick.
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Main reason is you don't have to cast the full length of leader from float to hook. The float sits at the weight when I cast but sits at the bobber stop during the drift.
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Main reason is you don't have to cast the full length of leader from float to hook. The float sits at the weight when I cast but sits at the bobber stop during the drift.
I stopped fishing like this because if you break off above the weight but below the float you loose your $8 drennan. It also hampers your ability to hold back on your drift and pull your presentation in behind boulders and other obstacles when fishing technical runs while still maintaining depth.
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When you break off a toothpick inside a drennan it is there for good.
Nope ;D
I just straighten out a paper clip, works like a charm, have bumed about 5 floats off people that thought they were shot because of the toothpick thing ;)
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I stopped fishing like this because if you break off above the weight but below the float you loose your $8 drennan. It also hampers your ability to hold back on your drift and pull your presentation in behind boulders and other obstacles when fishing technical runs while still maintaining depth.
Bobber stop below the float but above the weight helps. I agree it affects your ability to steer, but if you are fishing deep runs you don't have a lot of choice.
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I use bobber stops ... they are the best way to rig a slip float and a set float... pretty cheap and easy to use... nothing like a toothpick swelling or moving to easily too quickly.... try what suits you the best... I believe having confidence in the way you are rigged makes a huge difference... once I start catching fish I dont really change a thing except leader strength...
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toothpicks can be rough and damage your line.
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I use one stopper above and one below the Maple Leaf Drennan, easy to adjust depth.
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There are several reasons that a fixed float is preferred than a sliding float when river fishing.
If the drift is short, you want your presentation to reach the depth as fast as possible. Having the float sliding up to the stopper may have a slight delay.
Having a stopper at the top and bottom is best because it ensures that you do not lose your float if you hook up. There's no messing around with worrying about the tooth pick breaking off, damaging the line or slipping. That being said, I use a tooth pick most of the time because I am 1) lazy ;) 2) too cheap to buy stoppers ;) 3) at times I like to take the float rig off and cast a spoon instead so I don't want to keep removing the stoppers and putting new ones back on.
With the tooth pick method, the float is lost a lot of time when you snag up too. The tooth pick often falls out when the line snaps etc. With one stopper below the float, there is no guarantee that you will retrieve your float everytime either. Some people put two stoppers below the float.
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There are several reasons that a fixed float is preferred than a sliding float when river fishing.
If the drift is short, you want your presentation to reach the depth as fast as possible. Having the float sliding up to the stopper may have a slight delay.
Having a stopper at the top and bottom is best because it ensures that you do not lose your float if you hook up. There's no messing around with worrying about the tooth pick breaking off, damaging the line or slipping. That being said, I use a tooth pick most of the time because I am 1) lazy ;) 2) too cheap to buy stoppers ;) 3) at times I like to take the float rig off and cast a spoon instead so I don't want to keep removing the stoppers and putting new ones back on.
With the tooth pick method, the float is lost a lot of time when you snag up too. The tooth pick often falls out when the line snaps etc. With one stopper below the float, there is no guarantee that you will retrieve your float everytime either. Some people put two stoppers below the float.
I'm asking why use a slip float with stoppers, effectively fixing it to the line anyway instead of using a fixed float with no stoppers.
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I don't think there is a difference then. It just comes down to preference.
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The only difference is when fishing deep runs with restricted access due overhanging bushes and trees you have the option of sliding down near the weight.This has often permitted me to fish in spots others passed up due to restricted casting.
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When you break off a toothpick inside a drennan it is there for good.
You can buy a thin gauge wire/rod from Home Depot or Rona that'll slide into the Drennan tubing to get the toothpick out. It is about 2 or 3 feet in length and costs a few dollars. Just cut it down to about 8 to 10 inches in length. When you go to the store bring along the Drennan so you can find the ideal diameter wire/rod. Let the toothpick dry out and it'll slide out with ease. You can use it on any other float that has a toothpick stuck in it. Works great and it'll let you use the save you lots of money on Drennans and other floats.
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at times I like to take the float rig off and cast a spoon instead so I don't want to keep removing the stoppers and putting new ones back on.
True enough if you are using bottom stoppers, however I use only a top stopper which stays on the line all season long. I guess you need to find your own risk tolerance for losing slip floats. A low tolerance means greater control measures, more inconvenience, and less flexibiity.
I'm asking why use a slip float with stoppers, effectively fixing it to the line anyway instead of using a fixed float with no stoppers.
The bottom stoppers are optional and you only need them if you want to minimize the risk of losing a float. Even with them, your slip float still has plenty of room for movement to give you the advantage of slip over fxed float.
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I am just learning here.
What about putting the bottom stopper in and adjusting it somewhere between the weight and the float??
That way you don’t have a fixed float and also do not lose it so easily.
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I prefer sliding floats bobber stops and occasionally use a stop below but I am often too lazy to put the lower one on.
I don't find much advantage to a sliding float on the Chilliwack because it is mostly fast and shallow and the point made about lack of control is correct. Sliding floats with bobber stops come into their own on rivers with deep pools with slow current like the Nitinat and parts of the Stamp where you can cast a short line but fish the bottom of the pool.
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Try using a regular foam dink float and wrap a elastic band around the float and your main line. Very fast to adjust for depth.And very cheap and simple.
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I stopped buying drennans and now only use the gray 35g foam DNE's... The float stops are cheap so I use them but I do keep a sack of toothpicks as back up