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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: blaydRnr on September 10, 2005, 08:37:25 PM
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i went to peg leg for the first time to try out my luck. it was very busy but overall, i found it to be a pleasant experience...except for one incident. >:(
these two morons ended up fishing to my left. everything at first seemed fine, until i noticed that they were using barbed hooks, that looked like they did a half my friend job pinching.
i was going to mention it to them, but before i could get the chance, the shorter of the two hooked on to a pink. after landing it, the guy proceeded to hold the fish by its gills... turned to his buddy and asked him if he wanted it. the fish was bleeding and looked like it was a goner.
anyway, his buddy said no and rather than just keeping it, the idiot decided to return the half dead fish by way of his 'foot'. well needless to say, that was the last straw for me. >:(
in not so many words ::), i told the both of them what they were doing was a disgrace. the bigger of the two asked me if i was DFO and then told me to mind my own business. he couldn't believe that i got so upset over "One f**king fish". afterwards, he continued to fish and was trying to taunt me. he even went as far, as to hook onto another fish....and released it in a brutal manner, followed by the remark "Oh no i think, i just killed the poor f**king fish"...........
i had no phone (to call DFO), and i didn't know what vehicle they had arrived in. i was PISSED!
i didn't give a $hit anymore and proceeded to my bag, where my sheath was ....put it on and got ready to confront the guy.....very stupid, i know.... but as far as i was concerned, it was two against one. then i remembered, FishFreak and FishinAddict were with me along with a newbie from Malaysia.
cooler heads had to prevail and lucky for everone involved ...'Tweedle Dee and Tweedle F**k' decided to leave.
i know i probably opened myself up for lecture and criticism. that's OK.
but if you A$$holes happen to read this....i'll be looking forward to our next meeting. ;)
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Wise choice regarding escalating the confrontation. It's probably not worth being charged with "assault with a weapon" over one of 50 million fish. It's too bad that these knobs had to make yet another fish suffer to taunt you :(
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I hope they rot in hell and the FishGod come and pluck their gills off them and kick them into burning purgatory!@##@#@#
Being uneducated I doubt it very much that they will be on the internet surfing...........
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Glad cooler heads prevail. What goes around comes around.
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You do need a lecture. If you need to fight with a knife you are a coward. This may seem like a weird movie to quote but its true. From the movie "Friday" where the father was telling Ice Cube who was holding a gun ready to shoot Debo. He brings up his fists and said " You fight with these and you live to fight another day. " Its so true and is self explanitory. If you had to fight with your fists and lost atleast you would be more of a man that if you had stabbed them and end up in jail.
I have been in many fights in my day and have not won them all but if I lost than I lost but I still had my pride.
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;D you made a wise choice and remember their karma will get em when they least expect it ;D
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If you had to fight with your fists and lost atleast you would be more of a man that if you had stabbed them and end up in jail.
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Suddenly I am unsure what moon I am standing on...
blaydRnr, such a disappointing sight when we do our best to spread the information that may improve the fishery. :'( Education can only work to a certain point, what happened today shows how badly enforcement is needed.
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You do need a lecture. If you need to fight with a knife you are a coward. This may seem like a weird movie to quote but its true. From the movie "Friday" where the father was telling Ice Cube who was holding a gun ready to shoot Debo. He brings up his fists and said " You fight with these and you live to fight another day. " Its so true and is self explanitory. If you had to fight with your fists and lost atleast you would be more of a man that if you had stabbed them and end up in jail.
I have been in many fights in my day and have not won them all but if I lost than I lost but I still had my pride.
i've been in alot of fights myself and i have scars and teeth missing to prove it. i'm not saying what i did was right, but to assess that i'm a coward is unfounded considering the circumstance i was in. also cowards don't stand up for what's right when they're outnumbered and out weighed by 150 lbs.
i take accountablity for my misjudgement (which by the way, made way for rationality). at least i know i can stand up for what's right, outside a computer monitor.... the question is, can you?!
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Every day something new on this forums whats next we are gona kill each other over fishing?
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Blayd, I sure wish I would have been there for back up. That kind of thing really burns me up.
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Don't get mad, get even!!!!! lol.
I remember having a jealous group of guides contaminate my bait box one evening after I had prepared my bait boxes---since I outfished em badly...unfortunately for my guests the next morning, I found out that my bait had been tampered with, and we didn't get anything for the first 2 hours, and I woke up to the ruse.
I got some bait from the "candy boat" and then proceeded to catch fish, and promptly hooked into a double of 52 and 38 lb Springs which were both measured and released in the company of THE SAME IDIOTS who contaminated my bait boxes... ;D
But even better was that evening when I had heard that they had fooled with my bait again...so I got up an extra half an hour early at 4 am to take a shower and check out the bait boxes...LOL! 8). Indeed, I could tell that someone had tampered with my boxes... >:( and I promptly swapped the bait out with 3 other boats bait boxes--the same twits who were behind the ruses...lol! :) , and promptly put some freezer fresh bait on brine in time for my guests who wanted to go out extra early at my urging... ::)
At that point I promptly went through their boats "misplacing an item or two"... :) HEHEHEHE>>>like a bonker..a gaff....or just plain old having fun and unstringing a rod or 2...lol! :)
Hit em with their own medicine guys...wait to see what car/truck they are driving, and give em four flat tires! :) ::) People like this need some serious lesson teaching because the law does DIDDLEY when no one is there to deal with the situation. Avoid face to face confrontation.
I remember one particular group that had booked half the lodge and a fellow guide who I believed was my friend cheated on a derby for a pool of $1000 USD to the guide who guided the largest fish. I remember having a 44.5 lb Spring dead and bonked and weighed on the scale and seeing the "offender" catch and release a 37 lber and then proceed to fudge fish measurements to claim the $1000 US. He and I nearly came to blows, and in the end it wouldn't have been worth it to punch his lights out and get fired, it cost us the friendship. If I could go back, I wouldn't even get angry, I'd simply just make sure that he paid for the $1000 one way or another, and I suggest that you do the same..don't get mad...get even--just don't get caught!
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what the hell do you thinks going to happpen at that bar, Peg Leg is a newbie bar that is internet loaded up, you wouldnt catch me at a bar that popular, what do you expect? honestly, as far as the Barbed hook let dfo handle that, its not your call, by the time anyone showed up they would stand out like sore thumbs and the guys could of pinched easily by then, also if they got there 2 sox and split then they would be just like all the rest of the people out there catching their meat and spliting, i can guarantee those chumps will be on the vedder hooking only chum and pinks this year, no real threat to the resource
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over 50 people on that beach and the guys happen to end up beside me. all i wanted to do was fish. so the next time, do i turn a blind eye? its always easier in hind sight when you're tucked away in the comfort of your home to point out bad deeds, yet have the courage to speak your mind when you don't have the obligation of confronting the person which you have grievances with.
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Blayd, I sure wish I would have been there for back up. That kind of thing really burns me up.
thanx, that means alot....i'm actually glad you weren't because my conscience wouldn't been able to handle it. :-\
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what the hell do you thinks going to happpen at that bar, Peg Leg is a newbie bar that is internet loaded up, you wouldnt catch me at a bar that popular, what do you expect? honestly, as far as the Barbed hook let dfo handle that, its not your call, by the time anyone showed up they would stand out like sore thumbs and the guys could of pinched easily by then, also if they got there 2 sox and split then they would be just like all the rest of the people out there catching their meat and spliting, i can guarantee those chumps will be on the vedder hooking only chum and pinks this year, no real threat to the resource
i don't condone violence and i don't believe in being a hero. BUT i'm a firm believer in KARMA.
...if you fail to see misdeeds being carried out by others.....others will fail to see misdeeds being done unto you.
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you should carry a spare reel with fireline on it. See cupcakes like that. Cast out over there line with like a 4oz betty and no hook and just try and cut there line lol.
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You do need a lecture. If you need to fight with a knife you are a coward. This may seem like a weird movie to quote but its true. From the movie "Friday" where the father was telling Ice Cube who was holding a gun ready to shoot Debo. He brings up his fists and said " You fight with these and you live to fight another day. " Its so true and is self explanitory. If you had to fight with your fists and lost atleast you would be more of a man that if you had stabbed them and end up in jail.
I have been in many fights in my day and have not won them all but if I lost than I lost but I still had my pride.
i've been in alot of fights myself and i have scars and teeth missing to prove it. i'm not saying what i did was right, but to assess that i'm a coward is unfounded considering the circumstance i was in. also cowards don't stand up for what's right when they're outnumbered and out weighed by 150 lbs.
i take accountablity for my misjudgement (which by the way, made way for rationality). at least i know i can stand up for what's right, outside a computer monitor.... the question is, can you?!
Their are pictures of me everywhere, on this forum,on fishbc etc. I am a big guy and stand up to anyone anytime. People on these forums always talk big like they are 6'4 240lbs but most are 5'7 175lbs. I am 6'3 225lbs and I have met a ton of people from fishbc and screaming reels so they all know its true. You questioning me is quite funny actually.
You want to talk about being outnumbered well here's a story from my past. When I was 16 years old my friend and I were walking to a bus stop as we were leaving Playland. A group of kids were following us about 10-14 of them. We kept walking but they kept getting closer. We started getting suspicious and all of a sudden they ran up on us. They started pushing us and tried taking my hat and jacket. I punched one of them in the nose and all of a sudden they started ganging up on us. I would not give up and threw punches left and right. My friend was doing the same. After about 10mins goes by a group of Playland employees were comming and the thugs ran off. I ended up with a busted lip and a blackeye BUT I know I broke a nose and hurt them just as bad if not worse.
My point is dont use weapons. I believe weapons are a cowards way out.You trying to call me out because of my opinion just shows your character.
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eddie get out of your bubble, your starting to sound like a hero now ::), this isnt about who is stronger or who is bigger, i did 3 years in the canadian military learnt a whole lot of weird **** but to this day if i had a knife on me and i was badly out numbered i would probably use a knife also , self defence. i was fishing the meet hole last year and some polish guy and myself got into it pretty bad arguing and before you know it the guy had his hand around my throught squeezing the hell out of it, i pulled out my knife and suck it in his face i didnt hit him with it be he let go of me in a hurry anyway this is about fishing etiquette and thats why there is a RECORD,OBERSVE,REPORT DFO number so that we can call because we do have a right to say something if someone is doing something illegaly. who care if you can take on 5 guys or 30 guys at one time, and you explain your example from a movie, is that the only thing that stuck in your mind whas that little phrase , or did you learn how to use drugs from that also , every situation is different
My point is dont use weapons. I believe weapons are a cowards way out.You trying to call me out because of my opinion just shows your character.
Next time you see a COP useing a taser gun,pepperspray,billy club,gun on one person when there is like 3 other cops there i hope you get out of your vehicle and go up to them and tell them there cowards
Your telling me not to be a hero yet you put in a story of your own...hmmm
As far as that movie goes your analagy of me learning to use drugs and such is another example of people being ridiculous. If the person pulls a knife on you the best thing to do is get out of the situation, as I wouldnt face anyone with a weapon nor would I use one. Using Police as an example is also ridiculous as I am not a cop and not paid to be one. Those examples are far fetched and not close to what I was reffering to.
This topic is going to get locked if people keep this up. If anyone else has a problem with what I think than send me an e-mail or PM. We dont need to air this out on the forum.
Have a nice day
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My suggestion to you all is to leave the talk of any form of violence out right now and return to the issue stated in the topic! If it continues the way it has, it will be locked or deleted very soon.
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I think this got out of hand a bit. Lets cool it a bit.. its only fishing. Suppose to be a relaxing sports not WWF!!!
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I think this got out of hand a bit. Lets cool it a bit.. its only fishing. Suppose to be a relaxing sports not WWF!!!
World Wildlife Foundation?? You mean WWE LOL ;)
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all rite fellas what's with all the violence if you didn't do anything at the time it happened then maybe give it up instead of saying your going to do what ever it is that your gonna do. I'd say call the police or dfo fighting is not the answer especially with knifes,remember why your out there to
RELAX and take it easy ;) tight lines to you all
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WELL WELL WELL!!! Somehow I knew that I would see a posting on here about this incident.
Hey blaydRnr, I wasn't before but I am now!!! ;D
First of all I may be a newbie to this forum, but I am by no means a newbie fisherman. I have been fishing for many years, Peg is not the only place I fish but as everyone knows it is a good snag free place to fish. ;) By the way I am educated and I do know how to use a computer!!!
blaydRnr has blown this incident way out of proportion whether you believe me or not.
I was out a Peg with my dad yesterday to catch some pinks and go for a spring. I introduced my dad to fishing about 4 years ago and since then he has out fished me often. ::) WE WERE USING GAMAKATSU HOOKS WITH THE BARBS COMPLETELY REMOVED. AS EVERYONE KNOWS, GAMAKATSU HOOKS HAVE A SMALL BARB THAT BREAKS OFF COMPLETELY WHEN PINCHED WITH PLIERS. I admit that it may have looked looked like we were using barbed hooks because we were snagging many humpies by the hump but then again so was everyone else. Everything was going good and we were doing well until one guy to the right of me (blaydRnr's buddy) told me to watch where I was casting because he had a pink on that was already in close, only about 20 feet out to the left of me. I assumed he was talking to me, but I let it go. We kept fishing. Then my dad pulled a pink in cleanly, made a mistake by picking it up by the gill, asking me if he should keep it, and then putting it back in the water. HE DID NOT KICK IT IN, IT WAS NOT BLEEDING, AND IT SWAM AWAY STRONGLY. I admit that he did make a mistake by picking it up by the gill but this was the first and only time he has ever done that. He also knew that he had made a mistake. Then this guy to the right of me started getting upset and mouthing off to my dad. I admit I did make some harsh comments to him but only because he was mouthing off to my dad. Wouldn't you do the same for your dad??? I DID NOT CATCH AND RELEASE ANY OTHER FISH IN A BRUTAL MANNER!!! >:( A couple hours later we decided to leave, only because we had our limit of clean pinks no because we were scared of this clown!! ::) As for blaydRnr, I did not see a knife, nor was I confronted to fight!!! This guy is all talk!!! >:(
After reading this posting I could not just sit back and let everyone bad mouth my dad and I. Everyone can believe what they want but blaydRnr and I know the real truth!!!
As for you blaydRnr, I am sorry if you were offended by this one bad mistake but please do not judge my dad and I because of this one incident. You can call us a couple of A$$holes if you want but after posing this you're no better than us either!!!
I am also looking forward to our next meeting, and if you think I am afraid of you, we'll see about that!!! ;D
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Good on you for coming on here and telling your side of the story. Your story certainly sounds a little more clearer than blaydrnr's.
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Sadly I'm seeing more and more of these incidents on our rivers today. Its like road rage except on the river. I am not sure why this is happening, we fish to relax and have fun, why the anger and the lack of respect for one another? If I happen to pick up someone's hook with a barb on it, I politely tell him (or her) that they forgot to pinch the barb. If someone drags a fish up the bank to release it, I'll tell him that they should release it in the water and that DFO will give you a hefty fine if they see you doing it. I do not try and embarass that person. We've all make mistakes. at one time or another. If that person tells you off or doesn't give a crap, what are you going to do about it? Get into a fight for a barbed hook? Its getting to the point where you can't walk past a meathole (to get to your run far downstream) without some bank maggot scowling or yelling at you in fear that you may squezze in beside him. CTY77, I fish with gammies alot as well and I understand the same problem you mentioned. I've asked a DFO officer and they seem to be ok with the little stub thats left over (at least the DFO guys that I talked to). I usually try and pinch it down harder with my pliers to flatten that stub a bit. Never had a problem removing the hook out of a fish.
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My apologies too as I listened to one side of the story. Next time, I know better before judging too quickly!!!
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great CTY77 i'm actually glad you're on line because now we can both get our grievances out in the open.
first of all, i didn't know the guy you were with, was your dad. for that i apologise.
you say you've been fishing for many years and your dad for four. if that's the case, how can you not know that picking up a fish by its gills, is like giving it a death sentence. another thing is you say it was an accident, yet you were less than gracious about it. comments like "big deal one f**kin' fish" and "any fish, once you've landed it is going to die anyway".
remember saying that? and do you deny the taunting that followed? like when you caught your next fish and said "oh i'm keeping the fish out of the water too long....oh no it's gonna die...ohhh $hit"
you think i couldn't hear you when you kept going on about how big a jerk and a$$hole i was?
i too would stick up for my dad without question...but who are you kidding? i only reacted after your dad TOSSED THE FISH ON THE BEACH...THEN PROCEEDED TO USE HIS FOOT TO GET IT BACK IN THE WATER...i'm not the one trying to sugar coat the incident.
i told your dad..."if you're not going to keep the fish, don't hold it by its gills....you might as well bonk it over the head" that's all i said! then you started mouthing off about how i was over reacting over one fish and you sarcastically asked me if i was DFO. i even said..."NO I'M NOT DFO.. AND YA IT IS A BIG DEAL BECAUSE YOU'RE BREAKING THE LAW".....and yes the fish was bleeding. what did you expect after hanging by its gills?
you didn't see a knife, because i didn't confront you! try reading my post again before you call me a clown.
also, the point of the barb (on your dad's hook) was still in tact, so don't tell me that it was just a nub because it was a gamakatsu...
you wanting to tell your side of the story is great, but don't contradict yourself. you made it sound like i was picking on you and your dad. you're forgetting my buddy and i were fishing long before you even arrived. your dad was even short casting over my line and i never said anything or reacted in any negative fashion. it was only after the fish incident that things got heated.
here's your chance to tell the members of this website, that everything i quoted you on was FABRICATED. and if so, here's your chance to correct and quote me.
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Good on you for coming on here and telling your side of the story. Your story certainly sounds a little more clearer than blaydrnr's.
ya eddie. i suppose there was no bias in your assessment. good to see you've come to a solid conclusion.
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Good on you for coming on here and telling your side of the story. Your story certainly sounds a little more clearer than blaydrnr's.
ya eddie. i suppose there was no bias in your assessment. good to see you've come to a solid conclusion.
When you run your mouth as much as you do what do you expect.
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Good on you for coming on here and telling your side of the story. Your story certainly sounds a little more clearer than blaydrnr's.
ya eddie. i suppose there was no bias in your assessment. good to see you've come to a solid conclusion.
When you run your mouth as much as you do what do you expect.
run my mouth? you obviously haven't been reading my posts. also this is a forum. where things are discussed and debated. i reported an incident that i regretted.
you on the other hand was the one who started talking like a hero. talking how you took on a gang of thugs, etc. its great you're 6'3 225 lbs. i'm not. READ MY POST. I HAD A GRIEVANCE. I REACTED THE WRONG WAY AND I TOOK ACCOUNTABILITY FOR MY ACTIONS... I EXPLAINED MY POINT OF VIEW take it or leave it, but don't talk down to me because you're no better.
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didn't give a $hit anymore and proceeded to my bag, where my sheath was ....put it on and got ready to confront the guy.....very stupid, i know " that's the quote that you said blaydRnr"
don't get me wrong but from that statement it tell's me your ready to start something not trying to pick sides here but when someone will go to that length to so much as pack their GUTTING knife for a confrontation then you tell us members what your thoughts were when you did that.
also CTY77 even said they had done wrong by holding it by the gills and apologized for it what more do you want we all make mistakes and we learn from them that's part of growing .
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I think this siatuation call for rodneys previous advise. If you really have a problem with something a person does aproche them and explain it with calm and explain what they were doing wrong and hwo they can avoid doing this. If you can do that then your looking for a mouth full of fist.
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didn't give a $hit anymore and proceeded to my bag, where my sheath was ....put it on and got ready to confront the guy.....very stupid, i know " that's the quote that you said blaydRnr"
don't get me wrong but from that statement it tell's me your ready to start something not trying to pick sides here but when someone will go to that length to so much as pack their GUTTING knife for a confrontation then you tell us members what your thoughts were when you did that.
also CTY77 even said they had done wrong by holding it by the gills and apologized for it what more do you want we all make mistakes and we learn from them that's part of growing .
at the time, he was not apologetic. if anything he was antagonizing.
that's no excuse for my reaction and if you read carefully, i reverted back and NOT pursue further actions.
FishFreak was right beside me and he was not even aware of what was going on, until i told him afterwards.
I NEVER ONCE APPROACHED CTY77 TO CONFRONT HIM WITH A KNIFE...I SAT BACK AND TOOK A DEFENSIVE POSTURE AND CARRIED ON WITH MY FISHING.
I HAVE NO EXCUSES FOR WHATEVER WRONGS I'VE DONE....BUT WHAT THE F**K? THIS WHOLE THING WAS INSTIGATED BY A SERIOUS OFFENSE, THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE FAILED TO RECOGNIZE.
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this is BRUTAL. i've spoken nothing but the truth and through it all i've shown remorse for my misjudgement and openly admitted to my error, yet this guy comes on line and sugar coats the truth and people are feeling sorry for him.
people who know me, knows i don't just fly off the handle (over petty things). do you really think this so called 'many years of experience' fisherman is being completely honest about what transpired? if so, i give up. :-\
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Some good advice for you. Some things are better left off the internet. If you dont want critisism than dont post about these situations. Hey I fly off the handle from time to time and regret some of the posts I make, as we are human and make mistakes. I wont hassle you anymore in regards to this and just hope you might think about what I just said.
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Some good advice for you. Some things are better left off the internet. If you dont want critisism than dont post about these situations. Hey I fly off the handle from time to time and regret some of the posts I make, as we are human and make mistakes. I wont hassle you anymore in regards to this and just hope you might think about what I just said.
fair enough. check your pm
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Thread locked, some of the material being discussed here is beyond my comfort level. I suggest all parties put this behind and move on, sometimes it's not worth pursuing these little things. CTY77, I've forwarded your deleted message to blaydRnr already, as it is personally directed at him, not for the public to view. I would also like to note blaydRnr did apologize for certain actions to you, there needs to be some understandings from both view points to reach a resolution. In the end, let's put both interests on the health of the fish that we are catching, instead of creating more grieves on each other. Good luck.