Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: blueback on October 05, 2013, 01:25:09 PM
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http://www.straight.com/life/497646/fish-data-belie-japans-claims-fukushima
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As I posted with some concern, when the radiation was first reported in the media (a few years ago) to be leaking into the Pacific, that I am somewhat concerned for my family because we consume alot of salmon. Back then people on the board bandied ideas back and forth about whether there was a safety issue or not. After reading the article attached to the link I posted, I am anxiously awaiting the results of the tests done on migratory salmon caught in our local waters. Unfortunately, the governmant claims to be still wrestling with the data, and that's why it's not yet published.
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I would not eat anything from the pacific right now.
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I would not eat anything from the pacific right now.
I eat Pacific Salmon a couple times a week/Halibut once a week and now Tuna as well and report no ill effects-that's just in my home not counting my regular Sushi feeds in & around the city.
The simple fact is that the people who are the most fearful are the ones who've rarely left the trailer park-once a person flies to the other side of the planet a few times they understand how large the Pacific really is.
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We eat salmon a couple of times a week as well, Dogbreath. I am glad that you don't notice any ill effects in yourself, however mutagenic effects are often only noticed after a period of time (sometimes years). I myself have suffered two different varieties of cancer and finding 'causation' is notoriously difficult (beyond generalised mutagens we find everyday in life). As one of the accredited authorities in the article says, no amount of radiation safe, given the additive effects included with the background radiation. Again; I anxiously await the latest local data.
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There isn't make-you-lose-your-hair levels of radiation or anything, the problem is symptoms often take years to materialize at which point it's too late. That said, not going to stop me from eating. Just remember that bigger fish have higher levels of radiation and mercury because they eat little fish who are radioactive and it builds up In the large fish. This is why dfo says don't eat dogfish over 60cm. (Its mercury specifically for them, but same principle)
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Just remember that bigger fish have higher levels of radiation and mercury because they eat little fish who are radioactive and it builds up In the large fish. This is why dfo says don't eat dogfish over 60cm. (Its mercury specifically for them, but same principle)
One of my friends used to do a lot of sport fishing in the polluted waters of Hong Kong. According to him Mahi Mahi was fairly safe to eat as they grow so fast and don't have time to build up pollutions.
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Halibut again tonight-not dead yet......
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If uber environmentalist David Suzuki isn't concerned with eating local fish then I'm not going to be concerned with eating locally caught salmon.
" Recent testing of migratory fish, including tissue samples collected from Pacific bluefin tuna caught off the California coast, assessed radiation levels and potential effects on marine food webs far away from Japan. Trace amounts of radioisotopes from the Fukushima plant were found, although the best available science puts them at levels below those naturally occurring in the environment around us. Natural, or background radiation, is found in many sources, including food items, medical treatments and air travel. "
http://www.straight.com/news/499616/david-suzuki-despite-fukushima-scientists-say-eating-west-coast-fish-safe
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Gotta love those fear mongers...if it werent for them Id have nothing to laugh at. ;)
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One of my friends used to do a lot of sport fishing in the polluted waters of Hong Kong. According to him Mahi Mahi was fairly safe to eat as they grow so fast and don't have time to build up pollutions.
Fairly safe. Lol
Fish that live shorter lives are less susceptible. So salmon that lives up to 5 years won't get the same levels as a dogfish that lives 20.
It should be noted that fukishima is still leaking radiation, and the fish out there have only been in contact With the source for a short time. We might come to realize this problem actually gets worse before it gets better.
Edit - just read the straight article, and it says the radioactive plume won't be here till next spring, and 300 tonnes of contaminated water per day is leaking into the ocean. So this problem is far from resolved.
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Will probably start seeing nine eyed Japenese people born pretty soon though.
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If you are really concerned - keep an eye on cancer rates among BC's First Nations that are in close proximity to salmon-bearing streams and rivers. They eat far more salmon than most on a per-capita basis and will be the canaries in this coal mine should there be any salmon-based radiation issues here.
I'm with David Suzuki on this one. "Fish will stay part of my diet, as long as they’re caught locally and sustainably, and will remain so until new research gives me pause to reconsider".
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Eleven minute piece on the ongoing calamity, and future horrors, of Fukushima. Yet again Tepco is not disclosing anything like the full story. If you don't want to do 11 minutes, spin forward to the last 5. Watch it here. Hold onto your balls.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=040_1384817880
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http://www.timescolonist.com/opinion/op-ed/comment-fukushima-radioactivity-is-not-a-threat-to-b-c-1.703961
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I would not eat anything from the pacific right now.
I'd rather eat potentially slightly radioactive wild pacific salmon than farmed Atlantic fish.
Or McDonald's burgers.
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I'd rather eat potentially slightly radioactive wild pacific salmon than farmed Atlantic fish.
Or McDonald's burgers.
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Then you must really crave those pacific albacore tuna ill bet. By your logic if more radiation is good so why not have some fish with more PCB's as well. LOL
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I'd rather eat potentially slightly radioactive wild pacific salmon than farmed Atlantic fish.
Or McDonald's burgers.
Milo, I'm shocked ;). you bought me lunch at McD,s , and as you may recall we both enjoyed it .. also, you have reported enjoying smoked Costco Atlantic's ... what's up ???
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http://www.timescolonist.com/news/comment-fukushima-radioactivity-is-not-a-threat-to-b-c-1.703961
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http://www.salmonfarmers.org/sites/default/files/hot-topics/radiation.pdf
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http://www.salmonfarmers.org/sites/default/files/hot-topics/radiation.pdf
Yeah, right... ::)
"More questions? Contact us at the BC Salmon Farmers Association and we’d be happy to help answer them."
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Yeah, right... ::)
"More questions? Contact us at the BC Salmon Farmers Association and we’d be happy to help answer them."
Did you take the time to click the links or did the name put you off from the start? :)
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"I'd rather eat potentially slightly radioactive wild pacific salmon than farmed open pen Atlantic fish." to quote Milo.
I'm not really concerned about Fukushima and local fish. I'm sure they are just fine. Its the BC Salmon Farmers Association offering to give me advice on anything. But you knew that, bawb .
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Seen a tv news report on Friday telling about starfish that are dying along the Pacific coast from Alaska BC right down to California.
Scientists are not ruling out Fukushima.
When people do not see radiation or pollutants within seafood they do not get alarmed.
After cancer hits they get angry & shake their heads. "If I could only turn back the clock I'd eat chicken or ham"
I would not eat anything that comes out of the Pacific, period.
The links given in prior posts are very scary.
Catch & release is in order.
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One of the better, more balanced (rather than the many "alarmist" versions out there) articles I have read on the issue thus far: http://deepseanews.com/2013/11/true-facts-about-ocean-radiation-and-the-fukushima-disaster/
Methinks we will be OK. Japan... Not So Much
Cheers,
Nog
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Easy to blame Fukushima for the Worlds radiation problems as they really have a big problem to tackle, but let's not forget all the opportunities radiation has had to screw us than just Fukushima and Chernobyl. If all these tests haven't wiped us out by now, maybe we are more resilient that we think.
A time-lapse of every nuclear explosion since 1945.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY
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Google how much radiation you receive when flying...
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Hope Nog's link is the info that has the facts.
In this crazy world we better have " hope ".
Millions are not worrying about radiation as other concerns are more important.
Like getting a warm meal or shelter or clean water to drink or will we be safe tonight ?
Do not think radiation is a pressing issue for misplaced people living in make shift camps.
( Syria civil war on & on )
Choice between a daily wild salmon or McDonald's junk food think I'd go with the salmon.
I'd say "grace before eating" though ; maybe the Good Lord will cleanse & purify the food " if need be ! ;D
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In the past 7 days or so I've eaten.....
Halibut, Ling Cod, Oysters fried & raw, Fish Soup with a half dozen different things in it, Squid and tonight Albacore Tuna, later in the week it'll be Octopus and No I Don't Glow.
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As it happens, I have a friend who has access to crystal mass spectrometers and agreed to test a number of salmon samples for me from 2013. The salmon I used as samples were sockeye that I bought, (imported from Alaska), as well as two springs (a white and a red) that I caught locally (off the airport in September). The samles were taken from two areas of the fish; the back and the belly. The spectroscopy was done just before Christmas and indicated that these fish tested normal (or seemd to not be exposed to harmful radiation, as nothing indicative of same was revealed).
I was very happy to hear these results, as I have always said that I JUST DON'T KNOW if any salmon have been affected as there have been no (recently-since 2011) published datasets. Now I know my fish are safe to eat (and have been feeding heavily with the rest of my family since I got the results). I hope to inconvenience my friend with another request to test next year.
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I hope to inconvenience my friend with another request to test next year.
I'm hoping you do and keep posting it. With all the scientists and facilities the Cons are closing down, it is going to have to be done by people who actually give a damn. Maybe we can all pick up used spectrometers cheap from the Conservative fire sale as there is about to be a massive quantity of scientific gear collecting dust.
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I am from a generation that grew up when The Americans, the Soviets, the British and the French were all conducting open air nuclear bomb testing, showering us with hot rain containing radioactive strontium 90 that accumulated in our bones. Hanford, down in Washington State, was venting radioactive iodine from the reactors creating plutonium for bombs. That was all flavoured with DDT and similar pesticides and we washed our clothes with carbon tetrachloride, our hands with naphthalene, ran vehicles with leaded gas, used asbestos extensively on on and on. It certainly didn't do us any good and some undoubtedly died but most of us are still here.
Not to panic about a little diluted radioactive leakage.
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http://deepseanews.com/2014/01/all-the-best-scientifically-verified-information-on-fukushima-impacts/
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Sushi for lunch again tomorrow!!! 8)
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http://www.theprovince.com/touch/story.html?id=9401912&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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http://www.snopes.com/photos/technology/fukushima.asp (http://www.snopes.com/photos/technology/fukushima.asp)
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Yesterday seen a news report by the Japanese telling that the fish caught in the local waters by Fukushima have too much radiation to be eaten safely.
Possibly the nuked fish will swim 50-100 or more miles & get caught & eaten either by humans or other larger fish.
Food chain.