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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: chris gadsden on March 08, 2016, 07:36:44 PM

Title: The End Of Fishing?
Post by: chris gadsden on March 08, 2016, 07:36:44 PM
http://www.oodmag.com/uncategorized/bill-seeks-criminalize-fishing-hunting/
Title: Re: The End Of Fishing?
Post by: swimmingwiththefishes on March 08, 2016, 11:14:56 PM
Your headline is a little alarmist.Are you getting paid by Rodney for the number of views on this;)
Title: Re: The End Of Fishing?
Post by: chris gadsden on March 09, 2016, 07:33:52 AM
Your headline is a little alarmist.Are you getting paid by Rodney for the number of views on this;)
LOL Just wanted as many people to read this and become aware of the bill, not thinking it would ever happen.

I guess I wrote too many stories for newspapers and filmed some news stories for Global and saw that they always like attention grabbing headlines to draw viewers and readers.

 I once filmed a story where a small airplane hit a flock of ducks and the pilot had to force land in a farmers field because the plane's window was smashed and one duck ended up inside the plane.

When I had the footage filmed I phoned the news director and told what I had. The first question she asked was "Anyone killed?" I said no and felt like saying the poor mallard was. I filed the story but donot think they aired it.

Title: Re: The End Of Fishing?
Post by: RalphH on March 09, 2016, 08:03:10 AM
Your headline is a little alarmist.Are you getting paid by Rodney for the number of views on this;)

I dunno. I have thought for sometime the writing is 'on the wall' for hunting and fishing - more so for hunting. Some of the changes that have happened in Europe plus anti-fishing PR campaigns by groups such as PETA have made me think this way.

It has made me glad neither of my kids took up the sport. Fishing may not go in my lifetime but in their lifetimes, I am not so sure.

I think anglers and the industry share some of the blame for problems we've experienced. Fishing is over crowded and over technological and far removed from the pastoral pursuit of yesteryear. Few things are as vulgar as the Bass Masters and competitive angling.

Mind you we have to think about this proposal. There's been other bills that either didn't pass or were heavily amended. The big fear is how AR groups who oppose angling and hunting may use such laws to harass anglers - as happened in Germany for example.
Title: Re: The End Of Fishing?
Post by: milo on March 09, 2016, 08:58:40 AM
This bill might become law in some pussy states, but not in Canada.
There are just too many good old rednecks who wouldn't take keenly to it. They would probably switch to hunting politicians.  ;D

On a more serious note, the resources required to enforce a non fishing, non hunting, non trapping law in a land as vast as ours would be beyond reasonable, so I believe it is a no-go from the get-go.

Title: Re: The End Of Fishing?
Post by: dobrolub on March 09, 2016, 09:33:35 AM
There are just too many good old rednecks who wouldn't take keenly to it. They would probably switch to hunting politicians.  ;D
LOL, ya... Exactly what I was thinking. It's the tendency to assert control over every mucking little thing that's worrisome. Like closing 'share a cow' farms, limiting natural herb trade, displaying no interest in what populating thinks on issues – that's what's bothering to see. Generally I don't feel that politicians have any interest in what people think. They need a wake up call. Like no one showing up at the polling stations across the country would be a good one.
Title: Re: The End Of Fishing?
Post by: typhoon on March 09, 2016, 11:01:56 AM
The alarmist headlines are missing this clause "(c) kills an animal without lawful excuse;".

If hunting and fishing and slaughterhouses and pest control are legal then the activity is not an offence.

The text of the bill is actually quite good - bans cockfighting, dogfighting, animal cruelty, animal maltreatment, etc.
Title: Re: The End Of Fishing?
Post by: bigblockfox on March 09, 2016, 11:51:09 AM
def a bad article. much more info here. to much fear mongering.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/03/03/nathaniel-erskine-smith-animal-bill_n_9377286.html
Title: Re: The End Of Fishing?
Post by: Walleye76 on March 09, 2016, 11:57:51 AM
Being it's a private members bill I wouldn't be overly concerned at this point. The likely hood of it ever passing is extremely slim
Title: Re: The End Of Fishing?
Post by: DanL on March 09, 2016, 12:02:11 PM
This is a private member's bill which usually go absolutely nowhere. I would agree with the overall spirit of this bill, especially w.r.t specifically banning the practice of sharkfinning etc, but the incredibly vague wording of the other parts potentially opens up a lot of unintended consequences.

The alarmist headlines are missing this clause "(c) kills an animal without lawful excuse;".

If hunting and fishing and slaughterhouses and pest control are legal then the activity is not an offence.

I dont believe that's necessarily true based on the bill's wording.

182.‍1 (1) Everyone commits an offence who, wilfully or recklessly,


Violating any of these points would make you a criminal. Having a lawful excuse (c), doesnt absolve you of violations (a) through (h). One could argue that killing a fish by ripping out it's gills and letting it bleed out is in violation of 182.1 (1) (a) because you could have bonked it first to limit its suffering. Or argue that bashing a fish's head with a rock ten times because you couldnt be bothered to carry a proper bonker is in gross violation of 182.1 (1) (b)

And the entire concept of C&R fisheries where if not retained for sustenance is basically inflicting unnecessary suffering, because why do we *need* to catch them otherwise?
Title: Re: The End Of Fishing?
Post by: milo on March 09, 2016, 12:15:13 PM
And the entire concept of C&R fisheries where if not retained for sustenance is basically inflicting unnecessary suffering, because why do we *need* to catch them otherwise?

C&R fishing is a cruel and needless activity and some civilized countries have outright banned it already. For years now I haven't been partaking in C&R only fisheries (e.g. sturgeon, dollies, Thompson steelhead and so on).

If there is no species I can target for retention, I won't fish that system. Period.

Your mileage may vary.


Title: Re: The End Of Fishing?
Post by: glog on March 09, 2016, 12:45:58 PM
inmates have taken over the asylum.  Makes you wonder how mp's like this get elected.  What a waste of time and effort.

What's next a new act that makes it illegal to breath regularly in order to stop climate change!!!

If idea is to stop shark finning fine, but not with this wording or language

Just another example of the stupid ideas the liberals come up with.

Title: Re: The End Of Fishing?
Post by: bigblockfox on March 09, 2016, 01:03:43 PM
unfortunately the fear mongering works on a select few.
Title: Re: The End Of Fishing?
Post by: clarkii on March 09, 2016, 01:31:43 PM
inmates have taken over the asylum.  Makes you wonder how mp's like this get elected.  What a waste of time and effort.

What's next a new act that makes it illegal to breath regularly in order to stop climate change!!!

If idea is to stop shark finning fine, but not with this wording or language

Just another example of the stupid ideas the liberals come up with.
Private members bill.  Just pointing that out.

As to the bill, what is defined as unnecessary? Unless it is defined, that is purely subjective.
Title: Re: The End Of Fishing?
Post by: typhoon on March 09, 2016, 01:38:14 PM

Violating any of these points would make you a criminal. Having a lawful excuse (c), doesnt absolve you of violations (a) through (h). One could argue that killing a fish by ripping out it's gills and letting it bleed out is in violation of 182.1 (1) (a) because you could have bonked it first to limit its suffering. Or argue that bashing a fish's head with a rock ten times because you couldnt be bothered to carry a proper bonker is in gross violation of 182.1 (1) (b)


If having lawful excuse does not absolve you of violations (a) through (h) then we will have no more beef, chicken, pork, farmed fish, etc.
They have a much stronger lobby than we do so I'm not worried.
Title: Re: The End Of Fishing?
Post by: RalphH on March 09, 2016, 04:34:35 PM
C&R fishing is a cruel and needless activity and some civilized countries have outright banned it already. For years now I haven't been partaking in C&R only fisheries ...

as I was saying...

Whatever you're semantics you are a c&r fisherman Milo - the legal requirement to let go wild coho and steelhead makes you so and as such your ethics talk from both sides of the mouth

If we are to continue to have fisheries managed at relatively low cost with virtually unlimited access and a goal of conservation - we will continue to need catch and release fisheries.

BTW I participate in fisheries where there is retention permitted but seldom if ever kill a fish because for me that is the right thing to do.

Title: Re: The End Of Fishing?
Post by: milo on March 09, 2016, 05:57:01 PM
Whatever you're semantics you are a c&r fisherman Milo - the legal requirement to let go wild coho and steelhead makes you so and as such your ethics talk from both sides of the mouth

I beg to differ. Catch and kill fishermen fish for the purpose of harvesting a fresh fish for the table. Being out in the fresh air enjoying nature and catching your own food is a pleasant and productive way to invest one's free time. Without at least a chance at harvesting a fish or two, I might as well switch to golf or geo-caching.
That said, Ralph,  you will never hear me belittle those that C&R only. Many of my friends do.
It is a strictly personal preference and choice. No right or wrong here.