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Title: What's with the moderating?
Post by: milo on September 19, 2013, 08:50:46 AM
Some recent censoring and moderating decisions where whole threads have been removed although they contained what I consider relevant information make me shake my head.
It is frustrating to spend time writing up stuff only to find it gone a few hours later, photos and everything.

Although it is ultimately up to the site owner to decide what goes and what stays and we as members (especially non-paying ones) have litle to no say in it, it would be nice if whoever decided to vaporize a thread locked it first with an accompanying explanation. That way we would know which comment or photo "crossed the line".

End of rant.
Good fishing everyone.

And don't low-hole me.  ;D

Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Drewhill on September 19, 2013, 08:59:29 AM
Some recent censoring and moderating decisions where whole threads have been removed although they contained what I consider relevant information make me shake my head.
It is frustrating to spend time writing up stuff only to find it gone a few hours later, photos and everything.

Although it is ultimately up to the site owner to decide what goes and what stays and we as members (especially non-paying ones) have litle to no say in it, it would be nice if whoever decided to vaporize a thread locked it first with an accompanying explanation. That way we would know which comment or photo "crossed the line".

End of rant.
Good fishing everyone.

And don't low-hole me.  ;D

This thread is going to be erased in the next 10 minutes.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: leapin' tyee on September 19, 2013, 09:39:39 AM
Some recent censoring and moderating decisions where whole threads have been removed although they contained what I consider relevant information make me shake my head.
It is frustrating to spend time writing up stuff only to find it gone a few hours later, photos and everything.

Although it is ultimately up to the site owner to decide what goes and what stays and we as members (especially non-paying ones) have litle to no say in it, it would be nice if whoever decided to vaporize a thread locked it first with an accompanying explanation. That way we would know which comment or photo "crossed the line".

End of rant.
Good fishing everyone.

And don't low-hole me.  ;D

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Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: milo on September 19, 2013, 10:13:56 AM
Still doesn't explain the disappearance of the netting in the Fraser thread and Tex's thread on etiquette and violation of regs.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: cutthroat22 on September 19, 2013, 10:14:42 AM
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Whats with the Moderating? 

I think this site is VERY well moderated.  In my opinion any posts with hints of violence or assaulting should be deleted.  Eg) Throwing people or gear in rivers.  Hooking people with flies etc...

Kids read this site.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Tex on September 19, 2013, 10:17:54 AM
Milo, in my thread it degenerated into name calling including some terms many people consider very offensive (ie. retards, etc).  I asked the thread be locked - I imagine that the moderators didn't have the time/energy/interest in editing 5+ pages and just found it easier to delete it.

Besides, everything that could've been said there had already been said.

Not sure about the other thread, so can't comment on that.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: adriaticum on September 19, 2013, 11:03:08 AM
Some recent censoring and moderating decisions where whole threads have been removed although they contained what I consider relevant information make me shake my head.
It is frustrating to spend time writing up stuff only to find it gone a few hours later, photos and everything.

Although it is ultimately up to the site owner to decide what goes and what stays and we as members (especially non-paying ones) have litle to no say in it, it would be nice if whoever decided to vaporize a thread locked it first with an accompanying explanation. That way we would know which comment or photo "crossed the line".

End of rant.
Good fishing everyone.

And don't low-hole me.  ;D

Lol, this site has definitely become less engaging.
I suppose if you are a member for 10 years things get a bit repetitive.
And all of our rants and efforts to get people started in the right direction are not paying off.
I see more and more flossers on the Vedder these days.
Not sure where they get their information from and who is showing them how to fish.  :o :-\
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: milo on September 19, 2013, 11:20:39 AM
I see more and more flossers on the Vedder these days.
Not sure where they get their information from and who is showing them how to fish.  :o :-\

That has been my observation as well - even on the Squamish.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Fish Assassin on September 19, 2013, 12:05:29 PM
Milo, in my thread it degenerated into name calling including some terms many people consider very offensive (ie. retards, etc).  I asked the thread be locked - I imagine that the moderators didn't have the time/energy/interest in editing 5+ pages and just found it easier to delete it.

Besides, everything that could've been said there had already been said.

Not sure about the other thread, so can't comment on that.

I concur, it was getting a bit out of hand.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: salmonlover on September 19, 2013, 12:06:03 PM
what I find comical, threads like the one tex started get deleted or the one about asians not having licenses gets locked. Yet you can look through the history of this forum and see countless topics about first nations being allowed to go on and on and on and on. Especially last year a certain thread was promoting nothing but hatred and prejudice. why is racism and bigotry allowed to go on and on about them? makes me wonder if this mods have the same feeling towards these people. this isnt me stirring up trouble or being a troll. this is a truly valid opinion and nothing else. explanation?
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: DRP79 on September 19, 2013, 12:13:30 PM
I am heading into my 3rd season of fishing on the Vedder and I think the deterioration of etiquette comes from "monkey see, monkey do" for lack of a better term.

I am the type of person that when I do something, I want to learn as much as I can about it and do it right.

I was guilty of it early in my first season as well. Newbies show up to the popular spots that are easily accessible on the river. They see people hauling fish out on every other cast and think, hey, I should be copying these guys if I want the same results.

Once I figured out what I was seeing was in fact not the proper way to do things, I stopped frequenting these areas. Through reading, reading and reading some more, along with having a few experienced anglers such as Milo take me out a time or two I found the right track to be on.

Common sense and courtesy go a long way but as Michael Caine said to Bruce Wayne, some men just want to watch the world burn.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: milo on September 19, 2013, 12:18:04 PM
Through reading, reading and reading some more, along with having a few experienced anglers such as Milo take me out a time or two I found the right track to be on.

And now you'll probably outfish me you eager learner you! :D

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what I find comical, threads like the one tex started get deleted or the one about asians not having licenses gets locked. Yet you can look through the history of this forum and see countless topics about first nations being allowed to go on and on and on and on. Especially last year a certain thread was promoting nothing but hatred and prejudice. why is racism and bigotry allowed to go on and on about them? makes me wonder if this mods have the same feeling towards these people. this isnt me stirring up trouble or being a troll. this is a truly valid opinion and nothing else. explanation?

I am not sure I can agree with you. I think this forum doesn't suffer from racism and bigotry. Maybe some individuals here are racists and bigots, but you are wrong in painting the whole forum as a collective with that brush. If anything, I find that this forum has been quite successful in helping anglers belonging to visible minorities integrate better into the sport as practiced in BC.

I judge people only on the basis of their behaviour towards others. Skin colour, religion, education level and social status are completely irrelevant.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: DanJohn on September 19, 2013, 12:19:09 PM
That has been my observation as well - even on the Squamish.
I am a prime example of the pay off you quoted. anyone who has ever fished with me can see, and hear how much I love the fish I catch. I generally talk to my catches before releasing, I am an animal lover, always have been. but the morals and ethics have been shaped by many on this board, and fly bc. my concern for water systems and their inhabitants has been enhanced by the likes of yourself, floon, March Brown, Rod, and countless others. sure there may be more flossers, snaggers and poachers, but if it weren't for knowledgeable people and sites like this, there might have been one more. I've recently gotten a buddy of mine from work into fly fishing, and he could have been introduced by someone who doesn't care about fish, just fishing. I just think to say it's not paying off is silly. maybe the dividends aren't huge, but they are there.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Rodney on September 19, 2013, 12:23:36 PM
Geez... I'm not racist, really. I just hate everyone. ;)

The recent threads were moved to the private section because the posts just took too long to edit by the time I looked at them. I have a certain expectation when it comes to the way adults conduct themselves, which were not demonstrated in those posts. It was just easier to get rid of them than trying to save them. Call me lazy, but I'm in Europe right now, so my time on the forum is limited.

If you want to look for racism, you'll find it everywhere you look.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: arimaBOATER on September 19, 2013, 12:32:02 PM
Remember in a psy. book in college that had a one picture cartoon.

Sitting around a big round table were a farmer, an alien ( from some other planet ) entertainer,mayor,small kid, fitness instructor,mother that had 10 kids ,muslim & a christian preacher etc...& the person in charge asked "What is truth?"

A get the pt.
There were so many dif. answers to the question !
It's a big job moderating because it can be a fine line to make judgements to please everyone.
I posted yesterday & checked today & could not find the thread.
No big deal as I'm sure the powers that be made a decision that was right.

Please the people some of the time & impossible to please people all the time.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Fish Assassin on September 19, 2013, 12:50:02 PM
Remember in a psy. book in college that had a one picture cartoon.

Sitting around a big round table were a farmer, an alien ( from some other planet ) entertainer,mayor,small kid, fitness instructor,mother that had 10 kids ,muslim & a christian preacher etc...& the person in charge asked "What is truth?"


That was never in any of my psychology texts. :)
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: salmonlover on September 19, 2013, 12:52:17 PM

I am not sure I can agree with you. I think this forum doesn't suffer from racism and bigotry. Maybe some individuals here are racists and bigots, but you are wrong in painting the whole forum as a collective with that brush. If anything, I find that this forum has been quite successful in helping anglers belonging to visible minorities integrate better into the sport as practiced in BC.

I judge people only on the basis of their behaviour towards others. Skin colour, religion, education level and social status are completely irrelevant.

I didn't say everyone on here are racist and bigots. It is a stretch to say majority? there has always been more nays then yeahs when it comes to the natives on here. I know you yourself have tried to educate as well as sandman and hotrod and as well as others. but why theses threads are still allowed to be made is pointless. whether or not you agree with it its their right, and nothing should be carried on about their right on here. if you cannot understand that then you're not necessarily a racist, but a bigot.

I don't have a negative view towards this site and realize it does help, but there are certain things I wish they wouldnt allow. guess you gotta take the good with the bad.

Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: milo on September 19, 2013, 12:56:28 PM

Geez... I'm not racist, really. I just hate everyone.
 Call me lazy, but I'm in Europe right now, so my time on the forum is limited.

OK, OK...enjoy your vacation, you little Confucian misanthropist.  ;D
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: arimaBOATER on September 19, 2013, 01:33:54 PM
Fish Assassin ; yep that cartoon was in the 1977 Psy 100 student hardback course book,but only 2 characters alien & farmer from memory were in the cartoon , maybe a hippie ...the other characters I made up.
 :)
2nd Milo's post. Rodney have a good time with your family in Europe.

Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Dennis.t on September 19, 2013, 01:56:28 PM
Some recent censoring and moderating decisions where whole threads have been removed although they contained what I consider relevant information make me shake my head.
It is frustrating to spend time writing up stuff only to find it gone a few hours later, photos and everything.

Although it is ultimately up to the site owner to decide what goes and what stays and we as members (especially non-paying ones) have litle to no say in it, it would be nice if whoever decided to vaporize a thread locked it first with an accompanying explanation. That way we would know which comment or photo "crossed the line".

End of rant.
Good fishing everyone.

And don't low-hole me.  ;D
Agree. Should be some explanation as to the why certain threads get completely deleted. This is censorship at its worst. Hey Rod ,do you not have more persons moderating this site, then yourself? Being in Europe is a poor excuse for what has happened on here lately. :o
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Rodney on September 19, 2013, 02:05:11 PM
No we don't provide a reason publicly when a thread is removed.

This is how we roll on FWR.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: 1son on September 19, 2013, 02:10:49 PM
This is how we roll on FWR.

LOL straight BOSS.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Rodney on September 19, 2013, 02:15:58 PM
Yep... ;)

I mean, it's an online discussion forum... If you really want an explanation why your post is deleted when you are calling someone an idiot/m-o-r-o-n/retard, then perhaps this forum is not the ideal communication platform you are looking for.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Dennis.t on September 19, 2013, 02:21:26 PM
No we don't provide a reason publicly when a thread is removed.

This is how we roll on FWR.
Okay. Before u delete this thread, enjoy your vacation!
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: milo on September 19, 2013, 02:22:05 PM
Yep... ;)

I mean, it's an online discussion forum... If you really want an explanation why your post is deleted when you are calling someone an idiot/m-o-r-o-n/retard, then perhaps this forum is not the ideal communication platform you are looking for.

What about other posters on the thread? Tolerable collateral damage?
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Rodney on September 19, 2013, 02:29:56 PM
What about other posters on the thread? Tolerable collateral damage?

For the last two threads, pretty much unfortunately. Usually I do catch the bad posts right away and delete them. The thread I removed yesterday had two pages of posts needed to be edited. I started with one, then I just moved the whole thread instead. Sometimes I do go back and work on those threads if I think the topic has some important value and move them back to the public archive.

This ain't FlyBC you know! ;D
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Fillibert on September 19, 2013, 03:22:16 PM
The recent threads were moved to the private section because the posts just took too long to edit by the time I looked at them.

I did warn people didn't I... this ain't a blog
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Ian Forbes on September 19, 2013, 05:32:58 PM
what I find comical, threads like the one tex started get deleted or the one about asians not having licenses gets locked. Yet you can look through the history of this forum and see countless topics about first nations being allowed to go on and on and on and on. Especially last year a certain thread was promoting nothing but hatred and prejudice. why is racism and bigotry allowed to go on and on about them? makes me wonder if this mods have the same feeling towards these people. this isnt me stirring up trouble or being a troll. this is a truly valid opinion and nothing else. explanation?

It is not bigotry or racism when it is true. And, it's not the fault of either the "supposed" racist or the First Nations person. It is the fault of the governments we've chosen to make the decisions for us. When you treat people like children and remove all responsibility from them then it lowers their standards to the lowest common denominator. Children with no supervision act in the most basic manner possible. Read the book "Lord of the Flies" and you will see what I mean.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: fish bonk on September 19, 2013, 08:51:08 PM
Wow Rod keep up the excellent work you do. Some people Thrive on debate and being "right at all cost" they are exhausting people to be around. Who likes someone who has to argue about everything.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: dennisK on September 24, 2013, 02:13:41 PM
Some recent censoring and moderating decisions where whole threads have been removed although they contained what I consider relevant information make me shake my head.
It is frustrating to spend time writing up stuff only to find it gone a few hours later, photos and everything.

Although it is ultimately up to the site owner to decide what goes and what stays and we as members (especially non-paying ones) have litle to no say in it, it would be nice if whoever decided to vaporize a thread locked it first with an accompanying explanation. That way we would know which comment or photo "crossed the line".

End of rant.
Good fishing everyone.

And don't low-hole me.  ;D

Just a guess Milo; but when you openly admit wanting to engage in criminal assault (because someone waded too close to you on a public river no less) then maybe you crossed a line? Seriously man, I've met you on the river. Why would you even consider snagging someone in the skin with hook? (shaking my head).
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: adriaticum on September 24, 2013, 03:06:21 PM
Just a guess Milo; but when you openly admit wanting to engage in criminal assault (because someone waded too close to you on a public river no less) then maybe you crossed a line? Seriously man, I've met you on the river. Why would you even consider snagging someone in the skin with hook? (shaking my head).

He doesn't do it intentionally. He is just not a good caster and sheit happens you know.  ;)
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: milo on September 24, 2013, 03:08:22 PM
Just a guess Milo; but when you openly admit wanting to engage in criminal assault (because someone waded too close to you on a public river no less) then maybe you crossed a line? Seriously man, I've met you on the river. Why would you even consider snagging someone in the skin with hook? (shaking my head).

You misunderstood me, Dennis.

What I was trying to convey is how important it is to respect a person's casting space, regardless of their method of angling.
It is well-known that fly fishermen and gear fishermen have different casting space requirements. Where a rod length on each side is usually enough for a gear guy to fish comfortably next to another person, a fly angler needs an additional couple of feet to do a roll cast before whipping the line out in a safe and effective manner.

If a person (usually another angler) violates that space, he or she risks being snagged, as it is not possible to reduce that safe casting zone, especially if there is even the slightest bit of wind.

What I do in such scenarios is explain to the person violating the safe casting area what they are doing, and the risks they are taking by fishing so close to me. Nine people out of ten get it, and they move out of there if there is no room for them, or they move a few feet further away if there is room. Simple enough.
But there is always the obtuse few who only get it when my fly zips inches from their ears or necks or ends in their waders or clothes. I have never assaulted anyone, Dennis, but I am known to be assertive and hold my ground against bullies.

For the record, I have sunk my fly in someone's skin (other than mine) only once. Luckily, I fish barbless. 8)
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Johnny Canuck on September 24, 2013, 03:39:45 PM
"That's what my heavy flies are for" you said did you not? lol
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: milo on September 24, 2013, 04:16:50 PM
"That's what my heavy flies are for" you said did you not? lol

Taken out of context, LOL!

In the rare case an obtuse individual steps into the safe casting zone and ignores my explanations, it is logical to asume that he is either stupid or conflictive and that it is very likely for me to lose my fly if/when I snag him. Therefore, I change to cheap heavy flies that look more intimidating when zipping near his face. Not because I want to inflict harm.

I never hook people on purpose. Only accidentally.
And only if they get too close. Despite the warnings.



Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: scouterjames on September 24, 2013, 04:35:27 PM
I am heading into my 3rd season of fishing on the Vedder and I think the deterioration of etiquette comes from "monkey see, monkey do" for lack of a better term.

I am the type of person that when I do something, I want to learn as much as I can about it and do it right.

I was guilty of it early in my first season as well. Newbies show up to the popular spots that are easily accessible on the river. They see people hauling fish out on every other cast and think, hey, I should be copying these guys if I want the same results.

Once I figured out what I was seeing was in fact not the proper way to do things, I stopped frequenting these areas. Through reading, reading and reading some more, along with having a few experienced anglers such as Milo take me out a time or two I found the right track to be on.

Common sense and courtesy go a long way but as Michael Caine said to Bruce Wayne, some men just want to watch the world burn.

I agree completely - I initially learned about river "fishing" on the Vedder.  I'm sure you can guess what I learned.  Then, in my quest to learn more, find spots etc, I googled and found FWR.  Thanks to all of you (well, MOST of you  ;) ) I learned what flossing was and how to fish properly!  It's all in the information we see - so if you have an opportunity to spend a few mins and share some knowledge with a newbie (or not so newbie for that matter) on the flow - by all means, DO IT!  At the VERY LEAST, mention the fishing boards like this one, a few may actually search them out and learn a lesson or two!
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: firstlight on September 24, 2013, 05:52:50 PM
Milo,if there ever is a backwards pedaling race, my money is on you. :)
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: DionJL on September 24, 2013, 05:56:42 PM
For the record, I rarely edit or delete anything unless someone clicks the "Report To Moderator" link. I try and take the time to edit, split and delete only when necessary, but the fact is moderating is a pain in the my buddy, and most of the time it's just easier to delete the whole thing.

Here is my suggestion if you are worried about your well articulated response being deleted; don't quote posts that are going to get deleted. If you quote someone that uses foul language, personally attacks, etc, then I'm going to delete your post as well.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: minnie-me on September 24, 2013, 06:02:02 PM
Milo,if there ever is a backwards pedaling race, my money is on you. :)

LMFAO...awesome Bruce.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Johnny Canuck on September 24, 2013, 06:08:38 PM
Taken out of context, LOL!

In the rare case an obtuse individual steps into the safe casting zone and ignores my explanations, it is logical to asume that he is either stupid or conflictive and that it is very likely for me to lose my fly if/when I snag him. Therefore, I change to cheap heavy flies that look more intimidating when zipping near his face. Not because I want to inflict harm.

I never hook people on purpose. Only accidentally.
And only if they get too close. Despite the warnings.



 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Still would be assault.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Dennis.t on September 24, 2013, 06:30:58 PM
I try and take the time to edit, split and delete only when necessary, but the fact is moderating is a pain in the my buddy, and most of the time it's just easier to delete the whole thing.


If its such a pain, then why are you a Moderator?
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: JPW on September 24, 2013, 06:45:37 PM

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Still would be assault.


Something about your replies reminds me a lot of the salmon pirate...
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: adriaticum on September 24, 2013, 07:02:59 PM
What's wrong with plain old assault?
You try and be an ignorant smartass you should learn how to swim in short order.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Johnny Canuck on September 24, 2013, 07:17:29 PM
What's wrong with plain old assault?
You try and be an ignorant smartass you should learn how to swim in short order.

Did you know that uttering a threat is actually more of an offense than assault itself? (Not saying that you're threatening me.)
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: adriaticum on September 24, 2013, 07:40:15 PM
Did you know that uttering a threat is actually more of an offense than assault itself? (Not saying that you're threatening me.)

Sure, if you want to give lawyers game.
That's why it's better not to utter, just act.
Dogs that bark don't bite.  ;)
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Johnny Canuck on September 24, 2013, 07:49:17 PM
Sure, if you want to give lawyers game.
That's why it's better not to utter, just act.
Dogs that bark don't bite.  ;)

No need for a lawyer, just call the cops.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: DionJL on September 24, 2013, 07:55:53 PM
If its such a pain, then why are you a Moderator?
Because I'm helping a friend. Like when you look after a couple's kids so they can go out for the night.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: milo on September 24, 2013, 08:13:12 PM
Sure, if you want to give lawyers game.
That's why it's better not to utter, just act.
Dogs that bark don't bite.  ;)

Sasha, you are welcome to my not so secret secret spots anytime. But well, you already knew that, didn't you?

Milo,if there ever is a backwards pedaling race, my money is on you. :)

Thanks Bruce.Good to know that someone would still put money on this grumpy old fart, for whatever reason! :D :D

Still would be assault, just call the cops.


Really? Should have known that. I could have become rich suing all the beaks that hooked me on the Fraser back in the old days when I still fished with the masses.
What other excellent advice do you have besides tying up precious police resources for a barbless hook in your waders?

For the record, I rarely edit or delete anything unless someone clicks the "Report To Moderator" link. I try and take the time to edit, split and delete only when necessary, but the fact is moderating is a pain in the my buddy, and most of the time it's just easier to delete the whole thing.

Here is my suggestion if you are worried about your well articulated response being deleted; don't quote posts that are going to get deleted. If you quote someone that uses foul language, personally attacks, etc, then I'm going to delete your post as well.

Thanks for chiming in Dion. That makes sense.

Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: arimaBOATER on September 24, 2013, 09:29:23 PM
The other day there was a long line up to get the new Apple Smart phone.
Some guy was set up more than 24 hrs thus to get a phone & be the first thru the doors.
Point being ,he was there 1 st.

Same thing with a fishing spot.
If some guy gets to the river's edge before others, he should be entitled to fish that spot with out others arriving late & crowding him or her in.
A fly fisherman should have a nice area to set his fly in the lake/river.

Guess a person who gets to a spot should set up some yellow tape or put some orange cones on either side so others will stay outside of area. ;D
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: adriaticum on September 24, 2013, 09:32:00 PM
The other day there was a long line up to get the new Apple Smart phone.
Some guy was set up more than 24 hrs thus to get a phone & be the first thru the doors.
Point being ,he was there 1 st.

Same thing with a fishing spot.
If some guy gets to the river's edge before others, he should be entitled to fish that spot with out others arriving late & crowding him or her in.
A fly fisherman should have a nice area to set his fly in the lake/river.

Guess a person who gets to a spot should set up some yellow tape or put some orange cones on either side so others will stay outside of area. ;D

Exactly, there is a certain amount of space you should give other people in the run that were there before you.
Or if you run into an m'er f'er like me you could get an earful.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Johnny Canuck on September 24, 2013, 10:58:21 PM
Really? Should have known that. I could have become rich suing all the beaks that hooked me on the Fraser back in the old days when I still fished with the masses.
What other excellent advice do you have besides tying up precious police resources for a barbless hook in your waders?

First of all the quote you used is a combination of two different ones. Second how would you get rich by pressing charges? Third assault is assault.


Finally...



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Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: milo on September 24, 2013, 11:02:04 PM
Finally...

...yes, finally. Good night.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Athezone on September 24, 2013, 11:48:34 PM


Thanks Bruce.Good to know that someone would still put money on this grumpy old fart, for whatever reason! :D :



Great attitude Milo, nice to see. Wish everyone had the same.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Tex on September 25, 2013, 11:03:47 AM
The other day there was a long line up to get the new Apple Smart phone.
Some guy was set up more than 24 hrs thus to get a phone & be the first thru the doors.
Point being ,he was there 1 st.

Same thing with a fishing spot.
If some guy gets to the river's edge before others, he should be entitled to fish that spot with out others arriving late & crowding him or her in.
A fly fisherman should have a nice area to set his fly in the lake/river.

Guess a person who gets to a spot should set up some yellow tape or put some orange cones on either side so others will stay outside of area. ;D

Actually, the way it SHOULD work is called Rotational Angling.  Heck, it's even on the BC Enviro website (about halfway down): http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/ethics/#Rotational

Unfortunately on most rivers in Southern BC it's a thing of the past, except for during steelhead season and even then it's often ignored. 

Personally, I always ask anyone fishing a run if they mind if I join them.  At the worst, they tell me they do mind, in which case I've just learned a lesson that this is the type of person I'd probably rather not fish around anyway.  At best, I've just started a conversation with someone who is already (hopefully) dialed in to this particular run at this particular time, and they'll often share some knowledge (what's working, where the fish are, etc).

Tight lines out there everyone.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Ian Forbes on September 25, 2013, 11:07:26 AM
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Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: adriaticum on September 25, 2013, 01:22:14 PM
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Possibly because most people learn to answer, not to understand.
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: liketofish on September 25, 2013, 01:40:29 PM
...yes, finally. Good night.

Geez, I like your great sense of humour despite being harassed, Milo. You are a nice guy. We need more of your humorous posts here to make reading FWR more entertaining. If there is a race about great sense of humour among FWR posters, you win the gold medal by the mile for sure.  ;D  Keep it up man.  :)
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: milo on September 25, 2013, 03:23:06 PM
Great attitude Milo, nice to see. Wish everyone had the same.

Geez, I like your great sense of humour despite being harassed, Milo. You are a nice guy. We need more of your humorous posts here to make reading FWR more entertaining. If there is a race about great sense of humour among FWR posters, you win the gold medal by the mile for sure.  ;D  Keep it up man.  :)

Thanks for the kind words, gentlemen.

It's interesting that liketofish mentions harassment. I don't feel harassed at all.
If I did, I guess I'd stay away from it all. I actually enjoy setting myself up for some controversy, as I have never been a stranger to stirring the pot. I became an adult, even a parent, well before the Internet, forums and social media, so I don't have an elaborate virtual persona. I don't have accounts on any of the social media. Heck, I don't even have a dedicated forum handle, I use my real name. I am who I am - on and off-line.

If we cross paths on the river, by all means say hi. We can shoot the bull while enjoying the surrounding.
Oh, and I will let you guys catch me a nice hatchery coho fishing from my rock while I smoke a cigar.  ;D
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: liketofish on September 25, 2013, 03:55:29 PM
Sure Milo. If I catch a hatchery coho on your rock while you have a break, you get to take the fish home for dinner. I'll pay rent for the rock.  :D ;D
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Dennis.t on September 25, 2013, 04:02:51 PM


If we cross paths on the river, by all means say hi. We can shoot the bull while enjoying the surrounding.
Oh, and I will let you guys catch me a nice hatchery coho fishing from my rock while I smoke a cigar.  ;D
I will pack an extra Cuban Cohiba in my vest. Shall we meet, we will light up together my fishing brother! Im an old school, old guy who had to learn the great sport of fishing the old fashioned way,by trail and error,long before computors and internet! ;)
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: Tex on September 25, 2013, 05:30:35 PM
Im an old school, old guy who had to learn the great sport of fishing the old fashioned way, by trail and error,long before computors and internet! ;)

This is a delightfully relevant spelling mistake.  ;)
Title: Re: What's with the moderating?
Post by: milo on September 25, 2013, 06:19:48 PM
This is a delightfully relevant spelling mistake.  ;)

LOL Tex, I noticed it too.
Trail and Error - an excellent title for a fishing article discussing the importance of legwork in learning how to fish rivers like the Vedder. You better copy-write it, Dennis.

I will pack an extra Cuban Cohiba in my vest. Shall we meet, we will light up together my fishing brother! Im an old school, old guy who had to learn the great sport of fishing the old fashioned way,by trail and error,long before computors and internet! ;)

Mmmm...Cuban Cohibas. The few I still have in my humidor are too large to carry around safely, but I always have a couple great boutique Dominican or Nicaraguan robustos or coronas to choose from. Sounds like a plan, Dennis. :)