Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fly Fishing Cafe => Topic started by: Blackgivesway2blue on November 24, 2009, 09:31:01 PM
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theres 2 types of Fly fishing right??? theres when u let the Flie float on top, then theres where u got kinda like a bobber kinda thing and the flie sinks down n u watch the bobber right??? what is the diffrence n what are they called??? :-\
BTW im just starting to get interested in starting fly fishing i see people do it both ways n i get confused :-\
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theres 2 types of Fly fishing right??? theres when u let the Flie float on top, then theres where u got kinda like a bobber kinda thing and the flie sinks down n u watch the bobber right??? what is the diffrence n what are they called??? :-\
BTW im just starting to get interested in starting fly fishing i see people do it both ways n i get confused :-\
Its a bit more than that. You can fly fish with many different techniques. The " bobber " fishing is chironomid fishing. Just do an internet search on it or join flybc.ca which is a BC fly fishing website forum. The fly "on top" is dry fly fishing. You can fish flies subsurface as well which is what you would do most of the time. Fly lines indicate how deep or shallow you will fish those flies. Fly lines have sink rates. This topic can go on forever. I would do a google search on fly fishing, read as much as you can and than come back and ask more specific questions.
Once you go fly you never go back ;)
Cheers & Have fun!!
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You can also go to your local library. Try to the find the book called "The Gilly a flyfisher's guide" as it is a great book.
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There is dry fly fishing, streamer fishing, nymph fishing, and the list goes on, depending on the situation and where you are fishing. River fishing will be completely different from lake fishing, and each will have its different variations and nuances. Welcome to the interesting and intriguing hobby of fly fishing, once you get into it, you can see why it is such a popular method of fishing.
Dry fly fishing you will typically be using a pattern that imitates a food source like a mayfly, and have the fly sit on the surface of the water in a natural way to entice the trout to hit it. When fishing below the surface with nymphs for instance, you will be imitating aquatic food sources, and trying to get the trout to eat your imitation. Simplistic explanation but I hope that helps you out.
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k sweet thanks
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First off, there are NO dumb questions.
There is alot more to it than the question entails. There is;
-Dry Fly Fishing (Where the fly floats on top of the water)
-Wet or sinking line (Where the fly sinks under the water)
-Bobber or Strike indicator (Where the fly sinks, but you control the depth with the indicator and can detect strikes with it)
Dry fly fishing is using a fly that is made from material that will allow the fly to float to imitate the natural fly that is sitting on the top of the water. This can be a natural like a Mayfly or stonefly which spend most of their lives living under the water. Then there is Terrestrials, these are insects that do not live in the water, but happen to fall into the water. This includes insects like Grasshoppers, Ants, Beatles.
Sinking line techniques are used for insects that live in the water. These include Damselflies, Dragonflies, Caddisflies, Water Boatmen, Chironomids, Leeches, Scuds, Mayflies plus more. Most of these live in the water for many years before becoming the Adult (The Dry Fly Stage) Usually fishing with these flies are done with a sinking line, but not on all occasions.
Strike indicators are used in conjunction with Wet flies or Nymphs. All the indicator is used for is to allow you to detect the strike as well as being able to set the depth you want to fish in. Indicators were first used to fish Chironomids, but in the last 10 years or so, people (Including myself) have been using Damsels, Leeches and a few other insects under them as well.
I hope this helps you a bit.
If you want to learn more, go to my website and order my books. One covers all the Basics on flyfishing, the other goes into detail about the insects and how, when, why the fish feed on each one during each stage of the insects life.
Rick Passek (www.rp3flyfishing.com)
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First off, there are NO dumb questions.
This is one of the great myths in our society... there most certainly ARE dumb questions. ;) Fortunately, Blackgivesway2blue's question isn't one of them!
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Tex
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don't get fool by all these techy terms i'd say, a fly rod is just a casting tool to cast out miniature immitations, much like sppons, spinners, jigs, crankbait.
In fact you can even cast spoons, jigs, crankbait on fly rod too
you can even use flies on ur spinning rod as well, and retrieve it slowly, i mean really slow, it is just the immitation. I've seen ppl doing extremely well whether attaching split shot with a nymph or bobing a bloodworm, or even dry flies
but i don't think Green timber is a good place for a lot back casting...
I am sorry but that is NOT fly fishing its gear fishing with a fly rod. Nobody has used any techy terms here. The best thing for him to do is take everyones advice and info. Other than yourself everyone else has given him some good info and advice.
If someone is getting into fly fishing IMO telling him that he can use spoons jigs etc is bad advice. Learning proper casting technique is probably the best advice. If your just getting started my advice is go into your local store. Ask them what the cost of a good beginner setup is. Than ask if they offer any fly casting classes. Maybe they will give you a deal on casting lessons if you purchase a set up.
I would think most of us are self taught ( especially if we started long ago ) when you are self taught you pick up bad habits. I myself am self taught and had many bad habits. I was lucky to be corrected by a great caster by the name of Ian who fixed what was wrong with my cast. Ever since I took his advice my casting is 100% better. Before I would muscle out my casts instead of letting the rod do the work. Dont get bad habits and learn from someone who knows what their doing.
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don't get fool by all these techy terms i'd say, a fly rod is just a casting tool to cast out miniature immitations, much like sppons, spinners, jigs, crankbait.
um, no. If this is how you use your fly rod you are not using it to it's potential...not even close.
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ive been working on my cast n i think its pretty good, n I think the rod ive been practicing on (my grandfathers) has wet or sinking line i think i cant remember. Because i cast it then it starts to sink. Ive only done it up at a lake by williams lake called Horsefly lake n havent had any luck fly fishing of the dock in the summer months (but really good trolling).
the way he told me was like 10 oclock to 1 oclock motion back n forth letting more line out every cast then when u got some momentum through it out then bring it back slowly, is that rightish???
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oh another question which one of theses is the best and easiest way for a begginer???
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Black - i can meet you up at GT sometime and give you some pointers on casting. I can even bring a rod with a dry line on it if all you have is the sinking line. dry line is easier to learn on because its alot lighter.
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oh yea the rod iv been using is up at my grandpas cabin for the summer months so right now i dont have one with me. after christmas im gonna buy a Fly Rod at canadian tire or something cause ive seen these combos for begineers with like a book n dry line n a couple flies n stuff like that for i think its $60 or $70.
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oh yea the rod iv been using is up at my grandpas cabin for the summer months so right now i dont have one with me. after christmas im gonna buy a Fly Rod at canadian tire or something cause ive seen these combos for begineers with like a book n dry line n a couple flies n stuff like that for i think its $60 or $70.
Do yourself a HUGE favor. Don't buy a rod/reel from Can Tire or Walmart. They are harder to cast and are not good quality in ANY way.
There are places you can get a rod for low cost that are of better quality. Look for deals on some of the following rods;
-Amundson
-Dragonfly
You will be disappointed if you get one at Can Tire or Walmart. Keep an eye on the Buy & Sell section here, there are rods that come up that are MUCH better than the stuff you will get at Can Tire....
Rick
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You can also go to your local library. Try to the find the book called "The Gilly a flyfisher's guide" as it is a great book.
I strongly second the aforementioned advise, it is the flyfishing bible and can still be picked up used, just google it and you should get leads on book shops that have it.
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Do yourself a HUGE favor. Don't buy a rod/reel from Can Tire or Walmart. They are harder to cast and are not good quality in ANY way.
There are places you can get a rod for low cost that are of better quality. Look for deals on some of the following rods;
-Amundson
-Dragonfly
You will be disappointed if you get one at Can Tire or Walmart. Keep an eye on the Buy & Sell section here, there are rods that come up that are MUCH better than the stuff you will get at Can Tire....
Rick
okay, what about Micheal And Young fly shop in whalley??? is that place anygood???
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okay, what about Micheal And Young fly shop in whalley??? is that place anygood???
Yes, very good. Go and see them they will treat you right.
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oh yea the rod iv been using is up at my grandpas cabin for the summer months so right now i dont have one with me. after christmas im gonna buy a Fly Rod at canadian tire or something cause ive seen these combos for begineers with like a book n dry line n a couple flies n stuff like that for i think its $60 or $70.
Almost all their rods and reels are factory seconds and you will be extremely dissapointed
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k, this is my last question what is the setup for Dry flie fishing is it mainline-leader-tippet-fly??? n what is a tippet???
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k, this is my last question what is the setup for Dry flie fishing is it mainline-leader-tippet-fly??? n what is a tippet???
Tippet is the last 16 to 18 inches of your leader before the fly. The idea being that you can keep replacing your tippet without having to replace your whole leader as you tie on fly after fly thus shortening your overall length of leader. And this is the case for dry fly or wet fly fishing.
hope this helps tight lines
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Black - you can also check out Army & Navy because they have Dragonfly, Amundson and TFO combos that will probably fair in the $300 range which is good considering its rod/reel/line.
My offer still stands ;) just let me know if you wanna take me up on it.
If your buying a rod for trout then go with a 5wt setup as well. this is a good all around rod weight for trout. that is unless your in a lake where 5+ is the norm :o
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the lake i go to in the summer (Horsefly Lake) has rainbows over 13pounds my grandpas caught a couple the last few years trolling but thats pretty far up the lake for those ones, the lakes 35 km long. but he has caught an 8 pound rainbow just in front of the house so idk, its normal trolling in some spots but i have seen some pretty big rainbow under the dock ;D
HOOK maybe sometime after christmas when it calms down a little bit there ;D
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If your buying a rod for trout then go with a 5wt setup as well. this is a good all around rod weight for trout. that is unless your in a lake where 5+ is the norm :o
I would respectfully disagree with HOOK's 5wt recommendation... he is definitely right in that a 5wt rod is probably my favourite "pure" trout rod for BC, but in your situation a 6wt is probably the best all-round rod, in my opinion. It's still light enough to have fun playing smaller rainbows (under 14 inches), but is strong enough for bigger fish (8lbs+), and will really help punch casts out on windy days when a lot of 5wt rods may have difficulty.
Plus, as an added bonus, if you ever are fishing for pink salmon or coho, a 6wt rod would have enough backbone to handle such fish (although a 7wt would be better, and if you know you'll end up with more than one rod, a 5 wt and 7 wt would be a good one-two punch!).
Good luck!
:D
Tex
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its funny you say that Tex because i fish pinks on my 5wt all the time. fresh and salt waters ;D i have even landed a 12lb chinook on it :o but not that i have picked up a 7/8 switch rod this is what i will be using from now on.
I used to own a 6wt also but it collected dust after i got my 5wt setup (this is why i recommended a 5wt) just ask Randolph because he bought my 6wt setup ;D of course now my trout setups are a 4wt & 5wt.
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im guessing 5wt n 6wt n stuff like that means 5wieght or 6wieght???
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im guessing 5wt n 6wt n stuff like that means 5wieght or 6wieght???
--yep and you usually match line and reel same wt as rod.
--If only one rod I also prefer the advice of getting a 6 wt. If you get it from a fishing shop they should help you set it up, whereas if you get it from a big box store you'll have to figure it out for yourself.
--There are a ton of areas to fish at horsefly, lots of rivers and creeks as well as the lake that can be fished from shore. Get someone to drop you off at any of the creeks that flow into the lake and fish the mouth area. Good chance for larger fish cruising by. You will be able to fish dry fly drift into the lake as well as minnow patterns on sink tip or sinking line.
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--yep and you usually match line and reel same wt as rod.
--If only one rod I also prefer the advice of getting a 6 wt. If you get it from a fishing shop they should help you set it up, whereas if you get it from a big box store you'll have to figure it out for yourself.
--There are a ton of areas to fish at horsefly, lots of rivers and creeks as well as the lake that can be fished from shore. Get someone to drop you off at any of the creeks that flow into the lake and fish the mouth area. Good chance for larger fish cruising by. You will be able to fish dry fly drift into the lake as well as minnow patterns on sink tip or sinking line.
Just make sure you check the regs as some maybe classified like McKinley creek. Had a cabin on Mckinley lake and the creek can be amazing with dries.
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By the way...
match your diameter of your leader to your tippet as closely as possible. Makes a big difference in knot strength. For example don't pair up 8lb maxima leader with 4x 3lb froghair flouro.....doesn't make for a strong knot!
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let me add another dumb question here, don't you guys think it's a bit too late for dries? or just need to switch to things like some tiny size 20 midges?
--depends where you're fishing.. often larger lake fish like in okanagan will cruise by mouth of creeks and rivers. They may take familiar looking food even though not what they should be looking for. More of a stimulation bite rather than matchin the hatch.
--when they're not cooperating with the general wisdom, as Monty Python says, try something completely different.
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glad to hear the rod is getting some use Randolph ;D
hmm dries in winter :-\ I have had some guys tell my they have gotten cutthroat on dries in winter time, i doubt it happens often however if you get a nice sunny (possibly warm) winter day there are bugs that will take advantage.
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glad to hear the rod is getting some use Randolph ;D
hmm dries in winter :-\ I have had some guys tell my they have gotten cutthroat on dries in winter time, i doubt it happens often however if you get a nice sunny (possibly warm) winter day there are bugs that will take advantage.
little brown stones come up off the water in the winter months and cutthroat get very selective with them. Frustrating if you forgot your nymph box and all you have is streamers handy!
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its funny you say that Tex because i fish pinks on my 5wt all the time. fresh and salt waters ;D i have even landed a 12lb chinook on it :o but not that i have picked up a 7/8 switch rod this is what i will be using from now on.
I never said it couldn't be done, HOOK, but you're definitely undergunned using a 5wt salmon fishing. And catching fishing chinook with a 5wt is like taking a knife to a gun fight. You will be stressing out the fish way more than you should be, especially if you're going to be releasing it.
FWIW, I've caught pinks on my 4wt, but I wouldn't recommend it, and it was when I was much younger.
My 2 cents.
Tex
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never felt undergunned with my 5wt on pinks. with that chinook which was a bycatch on the Squamish while pink fishing i did feel undergunned but couldnt get the hook to snap for some reason so decided to try and land it, it was released unharmed and gave me a huge bath at the same time ;D
I know lots of guys that use 5wt's for pinks. If you know how to use the rod to your advantage it can be done very easily. Yes a heavier rod is the better choice for beginners especially because lack of experience with the rod types.
im not trying to fight with you Tex im just stating what i like from personal experience. I have also been fly fishing for years ;) and i can tell you have been also.
HOOK - still needs to catch a sturgeon on a fly rod :o
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how do u explain this guy's fotos?fake?
http://ultralightflyfishing.yuku.com/topic/2074
steelhead on #000
also coho , and bull trout, and you sure they will be dead if you fish them on light gear??? or is it more like a myth?
All I know from my experience (I've fished 2wt and higher) is that the weight of the rod has less to do with how long it takes to bring a fish in than the line you are using. If you're using light leader/tippet which is the case with those ultralight setups, most of the time you will end up overplaying larger fish, or they simply break off. My guess is these guys are probably using heavier leader/tippet.
Consider that a small size 0 reel will have very little backing and line on it. Couple that with the fact that on a light rod a large fish will use up the flex and start its runs on your reel SOONER and you have a fairly obvious answer, I'd think.
I can tell you one thing for sure too...the fish that I bring in on "proper" sized equipment for the job are in no mood to lie down next to my rod for a picture.
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Also, there is a time and place for rods like that. You will get the maximum enjoyment from fishing for small trout with a zero weight rod . Catch a steelhead or salmon consistently with that rod, and over time it will take a beating and be thrashed. In addition, if your goal as a fishermen is to get your catch in quickly, the average joe is more likely to spend all afternoon, in trying to bring in a feisty salmon or steelhead.
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http://ultralightflyfishing.yuku.com/topic/2074 These photos are not fake, I know the angler personally, he is a very accomplished fly fisherman.
I was like I recognize that face....Than I finally clued in who it was LOL...He sure loves his coarse fish LOL
Great guy. I need to go and visit him soon.
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So i guess he is not an average joe?
but seriously, Anyone here ever had an afternoon battling a salmon or steelhead on a sage txl #000, or you guys are just assuming it will take you that long?
He is not the average fisherman. This guy knows his stuff especially when it comes to light gear fishing. I am assuming ( I will even ask him next time I see him ) that he was probably targeting different fish when he caught some of those bigger fish.
Also someone that does not have the experience fishing light gear should probably not be specifically targeting coho with a 1wt or 3wt. Remember these fish are coming back to spawn and use up most of their energy getting to their spawning grounds. Why would you specifically target these fish with a 1wt and even take a chance that the fight you are enjoying could possibly kill the fish. It just doesnt make any logical sense.....
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ok to those of you that know him. Is that one of the guys from Reaction ? because i thought i recognized the face also but wasnt sure :-\
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--just a reminder we are giving advice here to someone that is beginning FLY fishing and has a budget.
- That is why I assumed he would at this time only buy one rod, thus I reccomended a 6 wt until he decides what type of fishing he is going to do the most of. It is forgiving even with some wind and I found in lower priced rods the 6 wt usually casts well. I have found that lower priced lighter wt rods really start to show their lack of performance and often have cheaper components.
Also figure he can keep the 6 wt for life.
--as I started flyfishing in kamloops in the 60's the rod of the day was an 8wt 8ft fiberglass which is now considered fairly heavy. I still have that rod, slow action soft as a noodle.
--I have seen full line out on a 00 but most people are humbled when trying to cast such a light outfit any distance. Casting distance is more for fun and bragging rights as most would use this for short distance small creek.
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--just a reminder we are giving advice here to someone that is beginning fishing and has a budget.
ive been gear fishing since i was three (now 13), n im just starting out fly fishing.
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ive been gear fishing since i was three (now 13), n im just starting out fly fishing.
--I changed my post... meant new to fly fishing...
--The 6 wt is a forgiving caster even lower priced rods was the intent of the answer.
--I have a 6wt Gloomis imx that is a favorite but also have and use an amundson 6wt.
--The loomis is custom, light wt and fast action.
--The amundson is slower action but still has good components and casts well.
--I have several specialty fly rods and custom made rods all with different lenght,wt and action...still often use the 6 wt.
--You have a jump start in knowing where the fish are from your experience in gear fishing, the 6 wt would give you a good casting range for most fishing .
--The other advice is to buy from a local shop where they can give you more information and help with the set up. I also reccomend a good quality line.the shop will be able to advise on a suitable line from one of the major suppliers and will likely have a combination set up rod, reel and line. most will have demo outfits to try so you get a feel for what you want before you buy.
--I doubt that any of the people who posted light wt 00-3 wt would reccomend these as a first rod for all around fishing.
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they do, and you can also consider newbie since i still can't cast my whole fly line out, but i found a 3 weight suit my purpose.
most fish hit within 60' range, at least for me, maybe closer i'd say
for casting, i found lighter rod is easier to load, and as a beginer i don't have the mind set that i'd have to cast out as far as you guys, the first thing is to "understand" how the things works, isn't it
as others said it comes to leader and tippet, and how much can a rod take to break down?
again, it all comes to personal preference, you can even catch a trout on a 14wt, I am saying he should try a range of different things, not so rigid on "start on certain range"
Randolph there are reasons why over time people have recognized that a 6 weight is almost ideal to start with. As somebody new to it, you can choose to ignore decades and decades of experience, or you can quit arguing, listen, and learn. There are guys here giving advice that have been flyfishing since well before you were born, myself included. We don't just make stuff up for the sake of argument, we are offering up honest advice in the hopes that it might help a beginner progress more easily.
As for your comment on the ultralight guys using 4x tippets....not sure if you realize this but the 4x does not speak to the strength of the tippet, only to the diameter of the tippet. You can have a 2x 8lb tippet or a 4x 8lb tippet, both will have same strength but different diameters, the 4x being "skinnier". Diameter is important for matching leader to tippet as having the same sized diameters will result in stronger knots. If you knew this already, sorry for reiterating.
A decent 6wt will be easy to cast, forgiving, and will allow you to fish a huuuuge range of sizes and types of fish. Trying a "range of different things" is something you get into after getting the basics down. I find now that I use a 4wt for most of my fishing (cutties) but when I am targeting larger fish I switch to an 8. If I had ONE rod, it'd still be my 6wt. I'm positive (and this is for you blackgivesway2blue) that if you take a little time and collect info from a variety of experienced sources, the rod people will point you to will be one of either a 5wt or 6wt for the fishing you'll be doing most of, and it will probably be an amundson, reddington, dragonfly (or similar) or whatever good used higher end rod you could find (which is what I'd recommend).
Look, I'm all for people doing what they want to do...I could care less if people want to make it difficult for themselves.....but what bugs me is when people with virtually no flyfishing experience suggest things that will put a beginner at a real disadvantage and ultimately waste their time and money.
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Blackgivesway2blue;
E-Mail Sent.
Rick
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ive been gear fishing since i was three (now 13), n im just starting out fly fishing.
I would go to the Langley Army&Navy and tell the staff you are just starting out fly-fishing and let them know what your budget is. They have great people working there who really know their stuff and huge inventory. They will put a package together for you, and yes it will most likely include a 6wt 9ft rod. They can provide this for any budget. There are a number of decent quality rod's on the market that are not that expensive, ( Berkley,Dragonfly,Martin) to name a few. Remember this is a starter kit, over time you will probably end up like us old guy's and have a number of different rod makes and specifications. I still have my first rod and use it frequently.
tight lines
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Blackgivesway2blue;
E-Mail Sent.
Rick
Rick if u were trying to send me an email i didnt get it, sorry
and after christmas i was planning on going to either Army & Navy or Micheal & Youngs and ask them questions on what would be the best rod+reel combo for a beginer and within the $100-$200 range, and thanks for all the repsonses
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if your budget is $200 max then i would be going to A&N or looking at Classifieds. M&Y i dont think will be able to put a setup together for that price, mind you i doubt anywhere could offer a combo at that price unless it had a crappy reel and crappy line. I think your best bet would be to save a bit more to get something more "mid range" like a Temple Fork rod combo and a good line. the line is a HUGE part of it besides the rod. a good weight forward line is what i would go with it is a bit more forgiving for beginners and also helps with distance.
now lets get serious for a second. could you buy a walmart or crappy tire combo?? YES, YES you can !! i started learning fly fishing with a 5/6wt walmart combo that cost me a whole $60 :o the line was garbage and was only 50 feet long which i learned to cast into the backing very quickly. I fished this setup to learn with and very promptly upgraded. Oh and i guess i had tried out fly fishing many many years before buying this setup but i didnt like it or care to keep at it.
Randolph - I dont understand why you keep defending using lighter weight rods ::) just because you have figured out how to sort of cast a 3wt doesnt mean someone else will. lighter wt rods are slower action rods which take alot more skill and timing to learn to cast. most 5wt's and higher especially are fast action rods which really help do the work for you. You really shouldnt argue with people that have fly fished for longer then even i have been alive. I have been fly fishing 10yrs + and you have been fly fishing, What ?? less then 1yr **tisk tisk** ;)
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well $200 isnt my max, maybe $300 max but i dont wanna spend a super amount on a fly rod n reel combo just yet
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I think $300 should get you a fairly decent setup, something you might not even want to upgrade later on ;D
my very first 8wt setup was a A&N combo for like $200 but the reel sucked and it had no line >:(
this is right from the TFO website of a couple combos they actually sell. I think A&N should also have these available.
http://www.templeforkflyrods.com/products/combo.html
I have personally cast several TFO rods and they are very nice for their price range, these should be no different.
If your looking for a trout setup you want 2 things more then the rest.
you want a decent rod & a good line ;D for trout fishing the reel really only holds the line so a minimal drag if any is just fine. If you get into salmon fishing then a drag is more of an issue of course.
Im going to throw this out there for YOU only. If you want to dump the majority on a rod & line. I have a reel i can GIVE you that will balance a 5wt rod. should work on a 6wt just fine. I do not use it anymore so it needs to go somewhere.
I would give you the line on it also but its a 4wt line which will not cast properly on a heavier rod weight unfortunately and i dont have any spare 5wt lines hanging around.
If that works for you then i am going to suggest a few line companies so you can research what they offer.
Rio (i would lean towards the GOLD series line)I will be upgrading my lines to this probably by spring time
Scientific Anglers - their GPX line is a good starting line and perfect all purpose dry line(all my dry lines are SA lines.)
Cortland - I think they have a 444 & 555 series of lines. I havent bought anything from this company since my camo sinking line
Airflo - im pretty sure they carry trout lines but have never used one however i do LOVE their spey lines ;D
there is still so many other great line makers
On the note of lines ---- IF you have not bought a line when i buy my new Rio GOLD 5wt line i can either sell or give you my SA line thats on there right now (probably give) it has been used for 4yrs i think :-\ it still floats just fine and has great fish karma LOL however if i were you personally i would just grab a new line.
just let me know about the reel thing. I can meet up with you as i also live in Surrey and fish Timbers alot in the spring time ;D
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Hook sometime in the spring time i might BUY it off u n we could do some fishing at Green Timbers, but i just want to start out brand new, i might use that reel as a back up reel or something but ill buy it off u Thanks for the offer. I think ill go with a 5wt to start because i know i wont be doing any Salmon fishing with it and i think it should work at Horsefly because where we catch the fish its on the other side of the lake but u never know ;D
http://www.templeforkflyrods.com/products/combo.html, do they seel these rod combos at Army & Navy or Micheal & Youngs??? cause it looks like a real nice combo, i think i would go for the TF NXT 4/5 combo
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Rick if u were trying to send me an email i didnt get it, sorry
Give me a call please if you don't mind.
Rick 604-722-0491
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Give me a call please if you don't mind.
Rick 604-722-0491
why??? give me a good reason, i just dont want to call some random person that ive met online :-\
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why??? give me a good reason, i just dont want to call some random person that ive met online :-\
I would like you to call me because I want to offer you a free flyfishing class.
I don't know if you know me, but I have written a few flyfishing books and I teach flyfishing here in Surrey. I have been quite impressed at how much you seem to want to learn, so I figured, why not do something nice for a young guy for Christmas.
I know this may seem a little weird, but you can ask many people here, I am on the up and up.
Feel free to go to my Website that is listed in my Signature line and check it out if you like.
Rick
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I would like you to call me because I want to offer you a free flyfishing class.
I don't know if you know me, but I have written a few flyfishing books and I teach flyfishing here in Surrey. I have been quite impressed at how much you seem to want to learn, so I figured, why not do something nice for a young guy for Christmas.
I know this may seem a little weird, but you can ask many people here, I am on the up and up.
Feel free to go to my Website that is listed in my Signature line and check it out if you like.
Rick
Oh im so sorry, ive been on ur website before i forgot who this was :-[ ill give u a call sometime round 8ish
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NP, Just give me a shout when you can.
Rick
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k i wont be able to call u, my mom has to talk to my dad first to see if its okay, ill let u know as soon as i know. Thanks again for the offer ;D
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NP, I understand.
Tell your Parents they are welcome to call me if they have any questions.
Rick
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I give you big props Rick. this is a very great thing your doing for him. I do know there is some instructor/guides that are willing to do this type of thing however there is equally or more that are not willing.
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It's really cool that everyone is wanting to help you out. I thought I'd offer you a spare rod I picked up at the Fathers Day sale at Berry's. It's a 9ft 5wt Scientific Anglers fly rod. They had it on really cheap door crashers price. It is new and unused. I bought it for a spare. I'm not to sure on how it casts but maybe some of the guys on here would know that. You can have it for $30...basically what I payed for it. If HOOK sets you up with his floating line all you need is a reel. I'm just trying to help you save some money at the start as we all know this can be an expensive hobby...addicting too!
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thats awesome PrarieFire :o and i said i had a reel to give him either free or really cheap ;D unfortunately i dont have a line :-\ so he would have to dump the 60+ on a good line
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Rick- I still dont have an awnser yet my parents are still talking bout it, ill have an awnser for you pretty soon i hope. Thanks again ;D
HOOK & prairiefire- some time after christmas ill take up those offers i hope (if thats okay) because i havent started any of my christmas shopping yet and ill get more money after christmas, Thanks ;D
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no hurry on my end kiddo ;) LOL the reel hasnt gone anywhere in the months its just been sitting i dont imagine its going to grow legs and run away now LOL
I hope you have let your parents now that Rick Passek is a qualified casting instructor and teaches people ALL THE TIME so its not like he is some random guy. That is what he does for a living, he also guides, writes fly fishing books and im sure teaches fly tying classes also ;D
i am sure if they google his name they can see more of what he is about also. I understand the whole parents thing though because you can just never be to cautious these days :(
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yea, if should them his website and stuff and theyve read this whole topic, im hoping theyll have an awnser pretty soon
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I'm sure I got a new floating line kicking around, but you'd need to buy backing.
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I'm sure I got a new floating line kicking around, but you'd need to buy backing.
Heck, backing is cheap - if you're in Vancouver (didn't note a location?), I can buy you the backing.
:D
Tex
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if he gets the reel from me it already has backing on it !!!
hell it even has a fly line on it but its a 4wt line and wont work for a 5wt or 6wt rod unfortunately. I could possibly even toss in my 5wt dry line because i want to replace it with a Rio Gold line anyways ;) and if i gave the line away it would force me to buy the new one LOL
seems to be alot of options open to you BlackBlue ;D as you can tell there is a good batch of us out there LOL
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seems to be alot of options open to you BlackBlue ;D as you can tell there is a good batch of us out there LOL
tell me about! where were you guys when i was his age.
i am getting into flyfishing too. but this thread had some complicated replies back and forth. not really sure what to go with now erm. no im not looking hand outs just some good knowlegable advice. basically from most of the replies 5wt is the best route to go for a newbie? and stay away from a sinking line to begin with?
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if he gets the reel from me it already has backing on it !!!
-more likely i will HOOK but for how much would you want though cause i dont want you just to give it to me, and i might also get the rod from Prariefire for $30, then get a really good line maybe even that RIO GOLD line that you keep talking bout ;)
-and Tex and Jamison Jay thanks for the offers but ill pass on those, Thanks though ;D
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I'll hang onto the rod no problem. I actually bought 2 but I don't really need both. I am also upgrading my floating line. My old 6 wt line I was just gonna toss out. It's only a couple years old but it's a cheap line. Not to sure what type. It came with my TFO combo from Sea-Run. You can have that if you like. Most fly fisherman are pretty cool. Not like the meat beaks you can almost get into fights with on the Vedder during peak Salmon fishing. ::)
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BlackBlue - we could call it $20 at most. like i said i rather see it go to a good cause rather then sit un used. I think buying a line is the best choice because mine is like 5yrs old and even though still works perfect the lines that are out now are so much more advanced.
Salmonlover - when your starting our learning to cast its best to learn with a dry line because the overall weight of the line is easier to keep airborne when learning. this ease helps to stop the frustration from mounting faster. keep everything as simple as possible when your starting out. concentrate on casting THE LINE not the fly and allow the rod to do the work for you.
and i mean keep it simple by casting with even a tuft of wool (to respresent a fly) so that if you hit yourself i wont hurt (as much) or do it with just a fly on your leader. I see lots of guys that are trying to learn to cast and they are out there trying to cast chironomid setups (meaning with a strike indicator) which are tricky at the best of times, especially when you get into really long leaders :o trust me a strike indicator is a real pain when you start learning to cast one >:(
prairiefire - i bet the cheap line you got on the real is that garbage made by Sedge. im pretty sure thats the stuff they put on all their full combos. and yes i agree its crap, it will cast fine but never as good as a high end line ($60-100)
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If you are going to buy a new line then I would suggest a Headstart line from SA. It will be the best to learn with and has all the same coatings and make up of SA's higher end lines. Also it's profile will not only allow you to cast well sooner but when you decide you want something a little more specialized it can make a great shotting head line for tips. It's also priced alot nicer than most good lines on the market.
It's important to remember, in flyfishing rods and line, just because it's priced higher doesn't mean it's better or will make you cast better. It's usually because experienced casters are looking for something specialized.
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Gentlemen, this generosity of time and items is just great.
My advice echos others...Stay away from cheap flyline!!! I have a reel spooled up with some Canadian Tire cheap stuff i bought this year and my 12 year old SA line 100X better.
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If you are going to buy a new line then I would suggest a Headstart line from SA. It will be the best to learn with and has all the same coatings and make up of SA's higher end lines. Also it's profile will not only allow you to cast well sooner but when you decide you want something a little more specialized it can make a great shotting head line for tips. It's also priced alot nicer than most good lines on the market.
It's important to remember, in flyfishing rods and line, just because it's priced higher doesn't mean it's better or will make you cast better. It's usually because experienced casters are looking for something specialized.
--another vote for headstart... it is cheaper because it is shorter than other SA line but good quality and forgiving weight forward so will load the rod with less line out. I still use this line for casting in wind.
--Also would stay away from the more expensive lines as you may want to practice on dry land. Or same with some of the used lines offered.. keep one for dry land practice, but stay with the proper weight for the rod.
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wanna here something creppy?? my grandpa bought me a Flyfishing book for how good my report card was (straight A's) and guess who its by?? Rick Passek, The Freshman Fly Fisher A Beginners Guide for a New Generation. and the wierd thing is i havent told him yet bout the offer :D
yo hook and prariefire i just thought of something... Christmas is coming up and my family usely gets me something to do with fishing and they know i want to take up fly fishing so, im might actully get a rod+reel combo for christmas (should of thought of that sooner). So if i dont get 1 for christmas ill take em up, Thanks again ;D
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wanna here something creppy?? my grandpa bought me a Flyfishing book for how good my report card was (straight A's) and guess who its by?? Rick Passek, The Freshman Fly Fisher A Beginners Guide for a New Generation. and the wierd thing is i havent told him yet bout the offer :D
yo hook and prariefire i just thought of something... Christmas is coming up and my family usely gets me something to do with fishing and they know i want to take up fly fishing so, im might actully get a rod+reel combo for christmas (should of thought of that sooner). So if i dont get 1 for christmas ill take em up, Thanks again ;D
That's too funny!!!!
I hope you enjoy it. Just so you know, if you take me up on my offer, my second book is included with the class.
Rick
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That's too funny!!!!
I hope you enjoy it. Just so you know, if you take me up on my offer, my second book is included with the class.
Rick
I just have a couple questions for you Rick
1. For the class do i need my own gear or do u supply it for the class???
2. and if we have the class (fingers crossed ;D) can we do it some time after christmas???
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what !!! damn Rick :o i sure wish there was fishing forums when i started fishing like 30yrs ago LOL I dont even think there was many forums even 10yrs ago when i started fly fishing :(
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I just have a couple questions for you Rick
1. For the class do i need my own gear or do u supply it for the class???
2. and if we have the class (fingers crossed ;D) can we do it some time after christmas???
Don't worry about gear, I will take care of that.
As for time, Sure, after X-Mas is fine.
Rick
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Rick how much do your classes cost?
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Rick how much do your classes cost?
My Private (1-2 People) classes are Reg $300 per person, but for X-Mas, I have a special of $200!!! this includes BOTH my books as well as 4 hours of Theory and 2-3 hours of casting class.
Semi Private (3-4 People) cost Reg $250, on for $175 (my first book only, included)
Group Classes are Reg $160, on for $90 (No Books included)
Private and Semi Private classes are scheduled whenever it is good for the customer and Myself, Group classes are set dates (TBD) in the new year.
Private classes are open, with no real time limit, Can run anywhere from 4-5 hours. Group classes are 4 hours MAX.
Private classes can be held at my office (Surrey) or at the customers place.
For more information on what my classes include, go to my website.
Rick
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what !!! damn Rick :o i sure wish there was fishing forums when i started fishing like 30yrs ago LOL I dont even think there was many forums even 10yrs ago when i started fly fishing :(
There were a few fishing forums 10 years ago, just not the quantity and quality of the ones today.
Here's hoping you get your wish Black. Rick is a good instructor and will get you off to a good start. Consider your self fortunate to be entering the sport today; I started fly fishing back in 1970 and my first fly fishing course in 1972, what we did back then is way lame to what we teach today. Have fun!
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Austin;
I have not heard back from you, do you want the class or not. If not, I want to make an open offer to anyone (13-16 years old) that would like to learn.
I want to do this as a Christmas gift for someone, but I have not heard from you in weeks.
Please let me know, if you are not interested, fine, but let me have a chance to offer the same thing to another young person starting out.
Rick
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Austin;
I have not heard back from you, do you want the class or not. If not, I want to make an open offer to anyone (13-16 years old) that would like to learn.
I want to do this as a Christmas gift for someone, but I have not heard from you in weeks.
Please let me know, if you are not interested, fine, but let me have a chance to offer the same thing to another young person starting out.
Rick
I sent you and email rick, sorry i havent responded in a while
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NP,
So, Austin will be taking the class I offered, but I would like to offer a FREE class to one more young person so we can do the class together.
Looks like we will be doing the class in the new year, so if there is any new Flyfisher that would like a FREE Flyfishing class, please let me know. I would like to give the class to a young person (12-16) so if you know anyone that seems keen to learn, I would offer it Free and would even be able to give a gift certificate so it can be used as a X-Mas gift.
The class is worth $300, and is FREE, but I do ask that it goes to a young person that is EAGER to learn this great sport.
Rick
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hey Austin,
if you are still looking for deals i juat bought a aumundon top fly outfit, it comes with.
• Rod: 2 or 4 piece Top Fly Rod. Moderate Fast action.
• Hard Rod/Reel Case
• Divided Rod Sock
• TXS Reel
• Black Neoprene Reel Cover
• Fly line Floating: Matched Weight Forward Floating fly line
• Fly line sinking: Matched Weight Forward Sinking fly line
• Backing line: Two 50 yd Backing Lines: 20lb, 25lb or 30lb
• Loop: One 12-pack loops in either Medium or Large size
• Tapered leader: Two matched 9ft leaders
• Floating tapered leader: Floating Tapered Leader
• Tippet: One 50yd tippet spool, size matched.
• Floating Tippet: One 50yd spool Floating Tippet Material
• Fly box: One high quality fly box
• Chest bag: One high quality chest bag
• Safety Whistle
and its on sale for 179 + tax...and i also got a few flies and a tool thing to help tie the knots all for 220 ;D
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thats a pretty good deal but, where oh where did you buy it from ??
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hey Austin,
if you are still looking for deals i juat bought a aumundon top fly outfit, it comes with.
• Rod: 2 or 4 piece Top Fly Rod. Moderate Fast action.
• Hard Rod/Reel Case
• Divided Rod Sock
• TXS Reel
• Black Neoprene Reel Cover
• Fly line Floating: Matched Weight Forward Floating fly line
• Fly line sinking: Matched Weight Forward Sinking fly line
• Backing line: Two 50 yd Backing Lines: 20lb, 25lb or 30lb
• Loop: One 12-pack loops in either Medium or Large size
• Tapered leader: Two matched 9ft leaders
• Floating tapered leader: Floating Tapered Leader
• Tippet: One 50yd tippet spool, size matched.
• Floating Tippet: One 50yd spool Floating Tippet Material
• Fly box: One high quality fly box
• Chest bag: One high quality chest bag
• Safety Whistle
and its on sale for 179 + tax...and i also got a few flies and a tool thing to help tie the knots all for 220 ;D
kewl, ive kinda put it on hold untill after christmas but i still have my eye out for deals. Where was this at??
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it was at army and navy in Langley ..i took it out in the yard and did a few practice casts and,it cast beautifully ;D
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it was at army and navy in Langley ..i took it out in the yard and did a few practice casts and,it cast beautifully ;D
Army and Navy in Langley is awesome, huge inventory and really helpful, knowledgeable, friendly staff.
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yes that id very true except i got to go back becuze the tool i bought to hep tie the knots for the line to line ...i cant get it top work the way he did . :-\
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hey...can someone telll me what the loop connectors or for and how to use it? ???
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Loop connectors are used to make adding tapered leaders or Flyline tips easier.
You use the loop to do a loop to loop connection or using a knot like a Improved Clinch Knot which is easier to tie that the normal Nail knot.
Here is a like to how they work.
http://www.killroys.com/knots/looploop.htm (http://www.killroys.com/knots/looploop.htm)
http://www.midcurrent.com/articles/knots/fernandez_connection.aspx (http://www.midcurrent.com/articles/knots/fernandez_connection.aspx)
Rick
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yes that id very true except i got to go back becuze the tool i bought to hep tie the knots for the line to line ...i cant get it top work the way he did . :-\
All part of the class when you take it.
We will cover;
* Equipment Basics
* Knots
* Fly Lines
* Rods/Reels
* Dry Flies
* Wet Flies
* Basic Entomology
* Lake Tactics
* River Tactics
* Pontoon Boats, Float Tubes, Multi Personal Craft (and how to use each)
* Shoals, Weed beds, and other objects to look for
* Reading the Water
* Casting
* AND MUCH MUCH MORE
Rick
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just to clarify, is costas joining in on the class to?? ;D
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NP,
So, Austin will be taking the class I offered, but I would like to offer a FREE class to one more young person so we can do the class together.
Looks like we will be doing the class in the new year, so if there is any new Flyfisher that would like a FREE Flyfishing class, please let me know. I would like to give the class to a young person (12-16) so if you know anyone that seems keen to learn, I would offer it Free and would even be able to give a gift certificate so it can be used as a X-Mas gift.
The class is worth $300, and is FREE, but I do ask that it goes to a young person that is EAGER to learn this great sport.
Rick
Wow Rick that is one great gift you are giving away.
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just to clarify, is costas joining in on the class to?? ;D
I might be ...it all depends on what my perants say..they are still talking about it....
but rick..i need to no..ware will this class take part....
thanks costas ;D
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I might be ...it all depends on what my perants say..they are still talking about it....
but rick..i need to no..ware will this class take part....
thanks costas ;D
my parents were the same way
i think its at his office?? i think ;D
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yeah...i hope they say yah cuz ive been trying to figure out how to do some of theses nots and they are realy hard...lol.. 8)
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yea me 2 kinda lol ;D
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I might be ...it all depends on what my perants say..they are still talking about it....
but rick..i need to no..ware will this class take part....
thanks costas ;D
It will be at one of 3 places;
-My Office (At my House at 184th & 64th)
-At Austins House
At Your House
The choice of where we do the class is up to you guys. It would be better at my Office, But if your parents feel better about doing it at your place, that is fine. I want to do it together (both of you at the same time) and then the casting portion will be done at the Church field on 64th at 186th.
Costas, if it would make your parents feel better, get them to call me at 604-722-0491
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My votes Ricks office ;D
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It will be at one of 3 places;
-My Office (At my House at 184th & 64th)
-At Austins House
At Your House
The choice of where we do the class is up to you guys. It would be better at my Office, But if your parents feel better about doing it at your place, that is fine. I want to do it together (both of you at the same time) and then the casting portion will be done at the Church field on 64th at 186th.
Costas, if it would make your parents feel better, get them to call me at 604-722-0491
is the church that you are talking about the brown one thats like pre close to hill crest elementry school....and there are town homes behind them?
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hey Rick, you could always have their parents attend (not participate) just to put themselves at ease ;) probably what i would do in this case if this was my kid, only because of the way our world has changed :(
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hey rick..how long is the class anyway>??
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hey Rick, you could always have their parents attend (not participate) just to put themselves at ease ;) probably what i would do in this case if this was my kid, only because of the way our world has changed :(
I have already made that suggestion, I have said to both of them that I would be fine with doing a class for 4, the boys and one of their parents.
hey rick..how long is the class anyway>??
The Theory portion is about 3-4 hours (Depending on how many questions you guys have) and the casting class is 2-3 hours. Yes it is at the Brown Church on 64th.
Rick
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ok thanks....but ,,i dont think ima be alowed to do it...mabee at the most ill be able to do the casting lessons part becauze the field is right in front of my house....
thanks costas
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ok thanks....but ,,i dont think ima be alowed to do it...mabee at the most ill be able to do the casting lessons part becauze the field is right in front of my house....
thanks costas
That's too bad Costas, maybe we can arrange a casting lesson, we will see.
If there is anyone else that knows of a young person that is just starting out that would like a class (Free) let me know.
Rick
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Rick, i was going to mention this before but Costas beat me to it LOL
I have a cousin thats 10yrs old (i think) and is wanting to learn how to fly fish after watching my dad and i catching pinks this year. I think being taught by you would be better then by us ;D I will get in contact with his parents and see if its okay, might take a few days for an answer though so if anyone jumps on this before i get back to you thats fine if it goes to them ;)
I do know he is getting an 8wt setup for xmas though ;D
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Rick, i got a "that sounds like a great thing" from his mother so im sure he is good to go for this. Let me know and i can pass your info to them or theirs to you. My email is on my profile so we dont clutter up this thread more ;)