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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: fishmonk on November 04, 2012, 09:29:30 PM
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Hey, was at Lafarge on saturday and I saw 2 dead Chum on the side closest to Pinetree. Also when I was fishing, I caught a few fish that were not rainbow trout(I wish I took a pic), but they were very shiny and almost looked like a small Coho. The meat was really red after I fillet them at home. After looking it up, I thought maybe they were small cohos because the tongues were black with white gums. BUT HOW? is there a connection to the coquitlam river at Lafarge Lake? or does anybody know what kind of fish it could of been? Have you caught one like that there?
Description: Shiny, couple of spots around the fork of the tail, white mouth, black tongue, more slenderish head.
Thanks!
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Those are landlocked coho salmon and you actually can't retain those.
Salmon, both adult spawners and juveniles, find their way into Lafarge Lake from Coquitlam River during rainy days when the connecting drains and creeks are flooded.
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Oh shoot, thanks for the info Rodney, I'll make sure not to retain those next time :-[
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Best advice I can give you is that if you are not 100% sure what the species is that you are catching and about to retain please release it safely back into the water.
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Are there other lakes around here with land locked coho? Never encountered one. Are they all catch and release and why? Thanks
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Are they all catch and release and why? Thanks
Unless stated in regional tables, daily limit is zero for salmon.
Lafarge Lake is not stated in the Region 2 table.
Thats the way regulation is set up for salmon.
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Best advice I can give you is that if you are not 100% sure what the species is that you are catching and about to retain please release it safely back into the water.
X2 Next time just take Geff's advice.
Are there other lakes around here with land locked coho? Never encountered one. Are they all catch and release and why? Thanks
I have caught and released lots of these landlocked Coho at Kawkawa Lake. I don't personally know of any lakes where you are allowed to retain them.
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They are not allowed to be retained for several reasons. To start with, the length of just about all landlocked coho salmon does not exceed the minimum length requirement (25cm). They are also mostly wild. Unlike kokanee, landlocked coho salmon are not managed as a separate species. Finally, we know very little about the biology of these fish. Are they exclusively landlocked or will start the migration after a couple of years if given the chance?
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Thanks rod! That's exactly what I wanted to know
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or does anybody know what kind of fish it could of been?
Thanks!
Well done ???
This in a nutshell if a classic example of where the state of fishing is at in the lower mainland :-\
Get to know your regulations and understand fish identification BEFORE you go fishing.
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Well done ???
This in a nutshell if a classic example of where the state of fishing is at in the lower mainland :-\
Get to know your regulations and understand fish identification BEFORE you go fishing.
Agreed quite sad I tell ya >:(
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Agreed quite sad I tell ya >:(
X 2, between this and all the snagging on the vedder .... it's depressing. :-[
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Well done ???
This in a nutshell if a classic example of where the state of fishing is at in the lower mainland :-\
Get to know your regulations and understand fish identification BEFORE you go fishing.
At least he is asking to gain knowledge, and now understands, which is much better than some other individuals who knowingly practice poor fishing techniques, and knowingly pass these practices on to others. Just my 2 cents...
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You're absolutely right and I'm trying to educate him and others :). The key is gaining this type of knowledge before hand. Certain things you can learn along the way but there are also other things that should be prepped ahead of time. In my opinion, this is one of those cases.
The pics and identification of all species is in the paper form of the regs, the internet version, and you can even get those plasticized tags with photos and points about each species that you can clip onto your vest for a quick reference. It's all out there, one just has to do their homework ahead of time. Instead of posting on an online forum, he could have dug up the information himself. I think Rod even has fish ID on this webpage somewhere. In fact, I know he does. Heck, a quick google could have worked too.
We can't really do much about the people that choose "poor fishing techniques". We have highly paid officials to do that for us ::)
Hopefully other newbies have read this thread and gained some knowledge :)
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I think Rod even has fish ID on this webpage somewhere. In fact, I know he does. Heck, a quick google could have worked too.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fish_profile/index.html
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did I miss something here
ey, was at Lafarge on saturday and I saw 2 dead Chum on the side closest to Pinetree.
Chum! where did they come from? certainly no chum in Lafarge lake :-\
Now I know we had a bit of rain but the rivers did not get that high :D
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did I miss something hereChum! where did they come from? certainly no chum in Lafarge lake :-\
Now I know we had a bit of rain but the rivers did not get that high :D
The waters indeed did get high enough, seen a few of these lafarge lake chum washed up on shore myself. I wonder how hit the return will be? ;D
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Here's a link to a video for landlocked coho i.d.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY7XxDwWZcU
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Was fishing there today for trout and noticed a smell and was Suprised to see a dead chum on the bank
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Coho can also be found in Rice Lake. Unfortunately most people (and neither did I until a year ago) don't recognize them and keep them. Not sure if they are land locked or not. I presume not because they are never very big. People have speculated that they are an excess or accidental cross stock, but they do not have the same wear patterns on the tail fins that stocked fish have.
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Might bring some roe to rice this week :P
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Coho can also be found in Rice Lake. Unfortunately most people (and neither did I until a year ago) don't recognize them and keep them. ...
Not to pick on you Knnn because I wouldn't of thought there were Coho in Rice either, but I think that is the problem. The only place I can find mention of Coho being in these lakes is in this thread. Unlike Kawkawa where it is clear in the regs, in signs and all over online. These lakes are promoted as places to go and learn about fishing, to take kids fishing, and develop a basic understanding of what is involved. Yes, identifying fish is part of fishing, but when you go to websites such as GofishBC and under species present it only lists Catchable size Rainbow Trout most people will not look for Coho let alone a beginner.
In my opinion they should up the place the information in the regs, and up the signage at these lakes.
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So is it presumed that that dead chum swam into Lafarge on their own?
Although I have fished the lake many times, I checked the City of Coquitlam's watershed map to confirm that their is no natural drainage from the lake. Remember it is an old gravel pit... Typically water flows into these, not out. However, I do recall that there is a overflow/storm drain in the SE corner of the lake, which I presume leads to a trib of the Coquitlam River (maybe Maple Creek?).
So is the thinking that the chum salmon migrated up a Coquitlam River trib and then through the underground storm water system to the lake. If I recall, the overflow infrastructure at the lake is heavily screened off so there if no easy way for a salmon to make the transition from storm water system to open lake...
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why would Federal Regs apply to landlocked coho when they do not apply to kokanee? I sort of think the Feds don't have jurisdiction over Pacific Salmon that are not anadromous. It would be interesting to see how this would be interpreted in court or otherwise.
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Not to pick on you Knnn because I wouldn't of thought there were Coho in Rice either, but I think that is the problem. The only place I can find mention of Coho being in these lakes is in this thread. Unlike Kawkawa where it is clear in the regs, in signs and all over online. These lakes are promoted as places to go and learn about fishing, to take kids fishing, and develop a basic understanding of what is involved. Yes, identifying fish is part of fishing, but when you go to websites such as GofishBC and under species present it only lists Catchable size Rainbow Trout most people will not look for Coho let alone a beginner.
In my opinion they should up the place the information in the regs, and up the signage at these lakes.
don't need to pick on him , I can confirm his words , there is coho in rice lake .
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Here's a link to a video for landlocked coho i.d.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY7XxDwWZcU
37 seconds out of the water ) is you not supposed to keep them , I wonder what happened after ? c&r ? :)
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How did the chum cross the road ?? ;D ::)
http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/salmon/chum/graphics/seattle_times_chum.jpg
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How did the chum cross the road ?? ;D ::)
http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/salmon/chum/graphics/seattle_times_chum.jpg
king tide ?! + lots of rain ?!
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How did the chum cross the road ?? ;D ::)
http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/salmon/chum/graphics/seattle_times_chum.jpg
Sliding on hormones.
Wouldn't you cross the road if a willing doe were waiting for you to play with her on the other side? ;)
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don't need to pick on him , I can confirm his words , there is coho in rice lake .
Didn't think I was. I don't doubt that there are coho there. I do however think that for lakes such as Rice and Lafarge that are specifically promoted as places to learn to fish, and as catch and keep fisheries they should promote the fact that the Coho are there. It would allow people to be able to identify them and reduce the amount taken. If I was learning to fish, and I was everywhere I looked the only mention I could find was rainbow trout if I caught another salmonid I could very likely conclude it is a different strain of rainbow trout.
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the one I got at rice was on blade , I was trying out home made blades and hooked 1 up . that was the only time . other times I tried roe (single eggs) and only rb bitting it :) pretty sure they getting in rice through some creeks from Seymour , but some people say that they might came from hatchery mixed with rb ... for me first version sounds more realistic . they are really tiny and silver and completely different from rb but really similar to kokanee :)
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Some dude pulled a nice sized one out of Deer Lake in Burnaby float fishing with some type of red corn. Right under the dock a few years back.
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Didn't think I was. I don't doubt that there are coho there. I do however think that for lakes such as Rice and Lafarge that are specifically promoted as places to learn to fish, and as catch and keep fisheries they should promote the fact that the Coho are there. It would allow people to be able to identify them and reduce the amount taken. If I was learning to fish, and I was everywhere I looked the only mention I could find was rainbow trout if I caught another salmonid I could very likely conclude it is a different strain of rainbow trout.
No worries, I certainly did not feel picked on. I agree completely with your sentiment. I went up to the ranger station and mentioned the fact that Coho were present in the lake and that it would be a good idea to post a sign warning anglers to release these fish. They did not seam to care much, probably not their responsibility.
Having since caught plenty of jacks they are obvious, but for the novice angler who is expecting rainbow and may never have seen a coho before, its expecting a lot for them to figure out they need to release these fish.
I have also heard the rumor about a combined or cross stock or even accidental stocking. However, all the Coho I have caught in Rice have had very sharply defined tail fins, while all the stocked rainbows have had the points on their tail fins worn down until they are rounded; presumably from close proximity to large numbers of other fish in the rearing pens.
Here is a photo of the rice Lake Coho I posted elsewhere:
(http://az344706.vo.msecnd.net/shforum/dc89/picture.jpeg)
Please note, before I get roasted, they were not my fish!
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but some people say that they might came from hatchery mixed with rb
Any time someone tells you this in the future, you can tell them it is not the case.
FFSBC is the only company that stocks the lakes around Vancouver - specifically the Fraser Valley Trout Hatchery. We do not raise any salmon at all in our facility.
Furthermore, if stocks get mixed (any stocks, even steelhead with steelhead of a different flow), unfortunately all those fish are not able to be stocked. Instead of killing them, they will typically find a man made run that has no specific genetic strain (such as the Stave) to put them in, rather than culling them all.
Anyway, what I'm saying is that it's impossible for FFSBC to accidentally stock a kokanee (something I've heard before from other anglers), or a landlocked coho.