Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nuggy on December 07, 2006, 10:08:38 PM
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Howdy folks, I know it`s pretty early for this question to come up but I`m interested to hear what reel you like to use for bar fishing chinooks in the Mission to Hope stretch of the Fraser.
Last season I used my Abu 6000 spooled with 50lb Tuf Line XP and it didn`t cut the mustard at all. It was my rookie season and I didn`t have any other reel to use.
I would like to have a new/used reel in place long before the next chinook season starts and was hoping you could tell me the brand and model # of the reels you prefer so I can see what kind of a budget I`m looking at.
Right now I`m slightly leaning towards a big spinning reel as I had several of my rigs completely snap off during casts that went wrong with the level wind.
Cheers
Nuggy
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I like the Abu 7000, casts a 16 ounce like a champ. Just use the right weight rod. I use to use a monster spinning reel for heavy bar fishing, cause it worked for ever and cost 5 bucks at a garage sell in Deroche.
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ABu 7000! Strong Drag, casts awesome, not to big. What more could you want. :D :)
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7000C# gets my vote - freaking indestructible. Saw a guy selling a used one in good shape for $170 I think.
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Diawa M-one plus. They're cheap but tough. The drag on the plus is improved over the original m-one as well. There's nothing like playing a fish on a single action reel... and they hold TONS of line and cast as much weight as you can toss with no problem.
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Well, then you haven't been paying attention Dennis. You comment sounds more like a troll, but I will bite. I know of variuos people that use this type of reel. Including Chris Gadsen.
Yes Johnny does barfish, he was barfing with us this summer on more than one occasion. In fact, he was guiding those days, you know, since he is a guide and all. ;)
SO who is the one trolling?
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Ok Dennis, your right, I'm wrong. You obviuosly know what I am feeling, and I am wrong about what I saw. But since when do you have to bomb it out there in the Upper fraser current? ??? Just doesn't make much sense considering that 22 ounces wouldn't even hold in most spots only casting 30 feet out. Anyhow, I am beat and have no need to comment on this anymore than I already have. ::)
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hahaha tempers are flaring LOL
I also have seen many people using single action reels for Barfishing.. and yes they do cast as far as a baitcaster.. my question would be where the heck do you barfish where you need to cast more than 25-30 feet????? I personally am going to use a single action reel next year on the Bar because the fight is a ot more fun IMO
TR
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I barfish near Hope and a few other spots that you need to get out 150 feet for consistent rewards; and I'd love to see someone cast that far with a mooching reel.
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I have a 7000, you know that if you know how to read. Whether I agree with Johnny's statement, assuming that it wasn't taken out of context, has nothing to do with how I responded to your statements in this thread.
Again, I am not taking anything personally, just responding to comments that sound like a trolls. I guess that is why I always wind up commenting on things you type up. Mind you, I usually only do when I am bored. Like now. I also haven't posted much lately, so I figured I would add a couple with this drival. ;D ;D
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BS, if it makes you feel better I take back the comment I made about the earrings - never meant that as a knock on you.
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BS, if it makes you feel better I take back the comment I made about the earrings - never meant that as a knock on you.
Ummm, I don't wear earrings, but you know that Rick does!! ;D Nice!! Really smooth!! ;D
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I plan on using a Penn GTi 320 next season. I have one spooled with 30 lb TUFF line, and the other spooled with 30 lb maxima, see which one I like more and for what conditions.
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DennisK you need to have an open mind. Your ignorance makes you look like an idiot because you act/talk like you know everything. This site is designed for people to learn, but you seem to choose not to. Yes you may have many years under your belt (many more than me i'll add), but there is always something else to learn.
I don't barfish but i do know that lots of people use Mooching reels for Barfishing.
As for abu's longevity, i would have to say that 2yrs ago an Abu would last have as long as an equivelently priced shimano. However Shimano's have changed and they both have lots of problems. The only Abu's that i have seen last are over $200, like the 7000.
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I barfish near Hope and a few other spots that you need to get out 150 feet for consistent rewards; and I'd love to see someone cast that far with a mooching reel.
Are you talking about Barfishing for salmon or fishing for Sturgeon... anywhere I have ever Barfished for Salmon you would need 30 ounces of lead to hold if you cast out more than 40 feet !!
one more thing that I always get a chuckle about ... do you really believe that you have ever cast 150 feet before??? do you realize just how far that is ?? and now are you really expecting people on this site to believe that you managed to cast a 16 oz lead weight 150 feet ???
LMFAO !! exagerating is something every fisherman does once in a while but I think that is a little more than an exageration
TR
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This has probably nothing to do with barfishing ;), but it easily possible to cast 150 feet with the right setup. I often fish around 230 feet (not sure if I am right with the conversion, 70 meters) when I fish from beaches in Europe and some guys are able to cast their leader with bait as far as 490 feet (150 meters).
Not with 16oz (around 450 grams) lead but between 3.5 and 8oz (100-250 grams)
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This has probably nothing to do with barfishing ;), but it easily possible to cast 150 feet with the right setup. I often fish around 230 feet (not sure if I am right with the conversion, 70 meters) when I fish from beaches in Europe and some guys are able to cast their leader with bait as far as 490 feet (150 meters).
Not with 16oz (around 450 grams) lead but between 3.5 and 8oz (100-250 grams)
I went online to see how far a line can be cast and the only thing I can find is fly tossing dry lines , single handed and two handed.. I personally don't think it is possible to cast a line in one action further than Tiger Woods can drive a golf ball !!!! seriously think about how far that is ... and honestly think if you could throw a line with one motion even close to that distance
TR
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well then..
didn't know I was so controvertial!
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I assure you I can "keep up" using a mooching reel ANYWHERE as far as "getting in the zone". Yes, I do make my living taking others fishing and have caught more than a few using mooching reels! :o It's too bad you have never seen it, but it doesn't mean nobody does.. as a matter of fact more guides I know do use single action over levelwinds. Do with that as you will...
As far as the comments on the abu.. I was being fecetious with my comment BUT I do have great distain towards them based on mine and others experiences with the 6000's. I have yet to see a newer one last. Of course my comment was over the top, but I guess it worked to get my point across!
Good day.
:)
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[ I personally don't think it is possible to cast a line in one action further than Tiger Woods can drive a golf ball !!!! seriously think about how far that is ... and honestly think if you could throw a line with one motion even close to that distance
TR
It is funny! Do you really think I would just invent that?
here is a little quote from a UK casting club website.
"When you start, if you are new to the casting sport, you would start in the beginners group. This group is for people who cast anywhere up to 195yds. Once you achieve that distance or above, you would be promoted to B Group for casts between 195-225yds. When this distance has been achieved at 2 separate events you will move into A Group 225-245yds. Same again into Premier, 245yds upwards, If like some of the top casters you can then move into a voluntary group Premier Plus."
(I precise that these distances are without bait, just the lead)
the website is a bit slow but it works
http://www.beach-caster.com/
and here is another one, even more clear (at least for me, it is in meter, not in yards ;D)
http://www.uksf.sea-angler.org/records.html
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Here's a picture from last July. The reels I have out are (from far to near) Abu7000, Diawa 275 Mooching reel, Penn 320 and, not quite sure what the last one is. But I perfer the Diawa 275 reels the best, but sometimes clients have difficulties with the single action reels.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/Randog/100_2751.jpg?t=1165621372)
Notice the custom wooden handles on this baby.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/Randog/100_2748.jpg?t=1165621796)
Also, DennisK, I know Johnny and see him on the river LOTS, and he know of what he speaks. ;)
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This has probably nothing to do with barfishing ;), but it easily possible to cast 150 feet with the right setup. I often fish around 230 feet (not sure if I am right with the conversion, 70 meters) when I fish from beaches in Europe and some guys are able to cast their leader with bait as far as 490 feet (150 meters).
Not with 16oz (around 450 grams) lead but between 3.5 and 8oz (100-250 grams)
I went online to see how far a line can be cast and the only thing I can find is fly tossing dry lines , single handed and two handed.. I personally don't think it is possible to cast a line in one action further than Tiger Woods can drive a golf ball !!!! seriously think about how far that is ... and honestly think if you could throw a line with one motion even close to that distance
TR
Competition casters here in the UK are casting 5oz [150gm] leads over 300 yards. Can't remember the names apart from Neil McKellow and Paul Kerry who I believe are 290 yards. Google British Surf Casting competitions or UK etc.
Colin
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Howdy, thanks for the advise , entertainment ;) and for the pics Randog. I won`t be flossing with 20 oz weights 150 feet out in the river so I don`t need a long bomb reel ;D Most of the casting I`ve done barfing was in the 10-30 feet range.
I think my dad has an old moocher reel around so maybe I`ll take it out for some practice castsing and see if I like it. Who knows, I may not even have to buy a reel. The Penn 320 series and the Abu 7000`s also look cool.
Keep the entertainment and reel suggestions coming 8)
Cheers
Nuggy
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Looking to get the MR2 on the river this coming summer, see how it does.
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Thx for posting that Frenchy, that is the info I couldn't find with a quick search on the net.. hard to believe that a line could be cast that far.. but still I have been fishing a long time and the only time I have ever seen a line cast around 150-200 feet is during sockeye season on the Fraser.. with a 3oz betty you can sure sling the gear out there! with regular gear on a good day I see people maybe casting 100 feet at the most.. that is the point I am trying to make
TR
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life would be boring if we knew everything ;)
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I've used both a Penn 321 and a Shimano 2000GT. The Penn's easier to cast for me, the Shimano's more fun to play a fish on a single action reel.
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I remember some guys in the 80s inOregon doing some pretty good surf fishing casts of a few hundred feet. Didn't get a good look at their reels though. They were using only a few ounces of weight. Too many years ago, sometimes you have to cast more than 30 feet though. And I wish those guide boats would stop following my sportspal canoe around though.
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I just talked to my dad on the phone about his mooching reel. He said it was a Daiwa 175 S model he picked up years ago at the A&N boutique for 10 bucks or something cheap. He said it`s never been used.
Does anyone know the difference between 175 S and a 275? Maybe drag washer size, cheaper components, less line capcity. I`ll phone Mike`s reel repair to get more info next week. This would be perfect price reel for me as it`s free :D
Cheers
Nuggy
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I surf fish for striper in the bay area and I and others need to cast over the waves with colored lead + feather or a 4-6 oz white leaded jigs... You can cast over 150 feet with no problem. I did it with spinning gears when I first started, and then switched to casting gears using reels like penn320, Small Norwell, and the orginal grey-silver calcutta...
If you like casting reel, try the new Daiwa Saltist. Price is reasonable. I use SA30 Saltiga for bottom fishing for halibut with braided line. It can hold quite a bit of line. The saltist is just a cheaper verison of the saltiga. And both reel can cast really well and build to last with incrediable drags and build for braided line and small :)
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the only difference between the 175 and 275 is the 275 has a larger spool. both reels are single action reels that are refereed to as knuckle buster. Nuggy go in and look at my post on the other winter steel in the fishing report section and the second picture on my report is of my rod and reel and it has a 275 on it.
Thanks Bill, that was a great post from the Cap mouth. I always wonder if those Chinook are heading up the Fraser 365 days of the year.
Charles, thanks for the advise on the surf casters. How long do you leave your bait offering out there? Do you retrieve right after your cast? When you are using a reel for bar fishing chinooks you don`t make a lot of casts in a day and you use weights in the 14-22 oz range to hold your line stationery in the fast river current.
Cheers
Nuggy
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For Bar Fishing and Surf Fishing, I use an Alvey reel. They are excellent if you have to cast long distance and/or with heavy weights. I think their reel still holds the record for longest distance cast. They are Australian reels.
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Alvey reels are mooching reel and spinning reel rolled into one.
I don't know if this picture would show up, but here it is:
(http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/11/19/15/i111915sn01.jpg)
Here is the link as to where I bought it:
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat20166-cat600635&id=0001893111915a&navCount=2&podId=0001893&parentId=cat600635&masterpathid=&navAction=push&catalogCode=IG&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat600635&hasJS=true (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat20166-cat600635&id=0001893111915a&navCount=2&podId=0001893&parentId=cat600635&masterpathid=&navAction=push&catalogCode=IG&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat600635&hasJS=true)
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I think alot of you are stressed at work.
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Nuggy:
We have to cast, and bounce the jigs on the bottom while taking in line. So we have to cast a lot. Gets tiring so surf-casting for stripers is not a thing for me. I switched to large mouth and catfish soon after in lakes and rivers. But we did a few casting with bait (mud-shrimp) for stripes in the sacramento river. That we have to use 12 oz to 1 lb of lead to sit the bait in the river for the stripers to bite. That is similar to what bar-fishing here I suppose.
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.. I personally don't think it is possible to cast a line in one action further than Tiger Woods can drive a golf ball !!!! seriously think about how far that is ... and honestly think if you could throw a line with one motion even close to that distance
TR
tiger woods drives his golf balls in 'yards'. frenchy was talking in 'feet'. that would be an average drive of 800-1000 ft.
back in the day, people use to bar fish with spinning reels. how come no one uses them anymore? ???
i was able to cast a 4-6 oz pyramid lead weight, 50-80 ft. using an 8 ft. stiff trolling rod combined with a diawa 7000d reel.
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You will still see spinning reels out there but they cant stand up to the job.
Sure the odd one might but most wont.
The Penn 320 is bulletproof for this type of fishing.
Abu 7000 is nice too but not as bullet proof as the Penn and ive heard a lot of problems with the newer ones.
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Hi Frenchy. Have you found a good surf fishing beach here in BC?
I've fished off Qualicum beach and Texada Is. before and caught rockcods, and greenlings.
With a 13' 5oz pyramid and using a spinner reel I can cast about 180'
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It is one of the only setup I did not bring here... I have already too much to do targeting the salmonids :P
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try surf fishing in long beach... I heard those surf perch are fun...
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I noticed in Randog's picture that the CP is on a bait caster rod. Seems weird to see the pin that high up on the cork. Wouldn't it be better to fish it on a pin rod? I used to bug a buddy of mine for using his CP on a baitcasting rod when we were out steelheading and to go out and buy the right rod cause it looked plain silly. Is it because you can't use them in the rod holder? Couldn't you rig up a rod holder that would hold a pin?