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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing Reports => Members' Fishing Reports => Topic started by: Steelhawk on September 06, 2007, 07:00:03 PM
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Fished New Westminster area around noon. There are just too many pinks coming up with the tide. The runs are in full force and most of us fishing with the rising tide have limit catches. Some good rods are helping others to limit too. It was non stop actions. This is the time for productive fishing. Tight line. :)
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Thanks for the report. Will be out tomorrow with the fly rod( a loaner). I hope my new rod comes in soon.
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Most of the fish are travelling very close to shore. In fact, the hits happened mostly close to shore, within 30 feet. The fly should be awesome in shallower water. Good luck.
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thanks for the report , may try my luck
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I noticed the same thing over the weekend, schools were in knee deep water... With only a foot of clarity, they have a nice feeling of safety, and therefore they have no need to be deeper.
This weekend is gonna be good up in chwk, I hope...
Cheers,
Nicole
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I guess I was a little late. I fished the north side in New West from 2-5pm and only managed 2 hookups. Proceeded to lose them both. Last one was right to shore. I only say 2 pinks jump along with about 5 or sturgies. I was expecting things to be a lot better.
I'm still looking for my 1st tidal Fraser pink. Will try again on the weekend.
Thanks for the report. Were you on the North or south side of the Fraser, Putullo.
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Hi Steelhawk,
Thanks for the report!
I've just started seriouslyu fishing again, and wondering if you can help me with where I may be able to fish in the New West area (I live near New West in the Edmonds area of Burnaby).
Last weekend, I caught this doe pink in Steveston. I don't mind the drive, but if I can catch one or two pinks close to home, why not?
Do I need heavy gear to fish the pinks in the Fraser?
Thank you for your advice.
Cheers,
Joe
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Yeah i was wondering the same.. Where in New West were you fishing from?
So far i've had terrible luck with tidal fishing can't wait to break my bad streak with an odd year pink!
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Potullo Bridge area. Doesn't matter really. The fish found there have to go through any section of the Fraser River during the incoming tide. You just have to time it correctly to intercept the schools.
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Thanks .. Yeah i think the main reason why my streak has been so bad is that i've been trying on the cap.. woke up at 4 am couple weeks ago to fish the cap and saw couple jumpers and a fish caught by the FN side.
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I'm looking at a google map, which doesn't go into much detail, but all I can see is some areas off of East Columbia Street (probably below the skytrain station, Capilano Way (does it have river access) of course the walk along the Quay (Ive never seen anyone catch anything there), and there are some places on the opposite side, across the Patullo, Dyke Road, Faulkner Road and Old Yale Road (but do these have river access?).
Because we live in a city environment, their is so much more private property concerns here than in rural area; I'm worried about is whether or not these areas are accessible to the public. I don't want to be trespassing in places where I'm not supposed to go.
Thanks,
Joe
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Ed, what does "FN" mean?
Thanks,
Joe
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Do we need heavy gear to fish the Fraser for these pinks?
Or will 1/4 oz zzingers do?
thanks for your advice
Joe
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Do we need heavy gear to fish the Fraser for these pinks?
Or will 1/4 oz zzingers do?
thanks for your advice
Joe
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/articles/2007/0807_01.html
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Yeah i'm doing the same thing soccer coach! If you find any access points let us know ! :)
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Hey Soccer Coach,
FN = First Nations.
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I've just started seriously fishing again, and wondering if you can help me with where I may be able to fish in the New West area
I have heard there is good fishing from shore at Sapperton park (E. Columbia and Cumberland).
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Thanks Rodney!
As always, you're very helpful. Do you find that the further up the Fraser (meaning in the New West area), the less "fresh" the pinks are and look? i.e. the females are less silver and the males are more "humpy"
Cheers,
Joe
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Thanks Ed for that "FN" definition. I didn't know there was First Nations "side" in New West. Where abouts is that side and are non-natives allowed to fish there?
Cheers,
Joe
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As always, you're very helpful. Do you find that the further up the Fraser (meaning in the New West area), the less "fresh" the pinks are and look? i.e. the females are less silver and the males are more "humpy"
The fish are very fresh and silver between Steveston and Mission. You're basically catching the same fish on the same day from any of these locations as they are being pushed in by one tide. Once you get above Mission, you would still get some nice fish, but many are not worth keeping in my opinion, but I'm rather spoiled by what are available around Richmond.
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Brownsville bar on the south side is the most popular.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=15664.0
See link to map lower down in the post.
Thanks to those who are very unselfish by helping other newbies find spots to fish. It's a huge help and really appreciated.
I know people hate to give up their locations, but maybe you can throw the new guys a bone and direct them to some of the more popular spots until they get some confidence to venture out on there own.
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Hey Soccer Coach just to clarify the FN thing, I was relating to the FN side on the capilano river. SOrry for the miscommunication
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The Fraser is a huge river with many spots to fish. You should be able to easily catch fish at any location. Brownsville, Annacis Island (north side by the bridge), end of No 6 road, No 3 road, Garry Point Park are all easy spots to get to. There are many fish in the river and I've caught fish on all sorts of different colored crocs. I haven't found one yet that has been outproducing another. I found all my spots by using a map and looking for roads that went close to shore. Yesterday, a friend an I hooked about 15 and landed 6. Do a bit of exploring and you'll find plenty of places...and fish.
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Ed, thanks for the clarification on the Capilano and FN thing. No problem.
Rodney - do you fish for pinks in Richmond, between the dock and No. 3 Road? I saw a few people about three weeks ago try their luck, with no success (too early).
I might try Brownsville Bar. Thanks for the advice everyone! The river and the lower Mainland is big enough for everyone.
Thanks again! Now if I could only find a good place to catch dungeoness crabs in the Lower Mainland??? Ughhh. Rodney, are you sure that I can't try my hand at dropping a trap in the sandy areas of Garry Point Park? I did get a few small ones on my fishing line, along with some quite large sculpins.
Cheers,
Joe
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Hey joe! Crabhead!
You said you're portuguese right? So you like crabs right? Spicy?! Yeah!
Right now is not the best but you can still fish for them, common places are in english bay, off cates park, and in tsawassen by the ferry terminal. I haven't had that much luck this year but I've only gone out twice.
From June to October around vancouver are not as good cause the heavy commercial pressure, but you should see your luck improve outside of those times.
Are you saving the heads of your pinks for bait?
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Has anyone ever tried fishing from the Fraser Foreshore Park where the Womens Pen is/was? Are we allowed to fish from there?
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Hi David R.
Yes, I'm Portuguese and I saved the pink head for crab bait, although I prefer using chicken backs/pieces as it lasts longer than the fish heads.
I did some crabbing when I went to Cowichan and was lucky, limiting out in less than an hour with two red rock and two dungeoness. Where at English Bay can one crab? Is that from the the Maritme Museum side or from downtown? I've tried crabbing at Cates Park and Belcarra, but no real luck with dungeoness (just red rock). At the tsawassen ferry terminal, don't you need a boat to get out there? I've also tried Barnet Marine Park with no luck (you need a little boat to get out there)
Thanks for the advice.
Joe
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Has anyone ever tried fishing from the Fraser Foreshore Park where the Womens Pen is/was? Are we allowed to fish from there?
Yes, you are allowed to fish there. I've caught cohos and bull trout there in the fall.
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Fish Assassin, do fish near the bridge at the end of th trail, or toward the old Mac Blo site? basically up toward the ocean, or down toward New West?
I know on Saturday I'll be going out to Brownsville. Maybe Sunday evening during high tide, I'll hit this area.
Thanks again!
Joe
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Downstream from the parking lot works best for me.
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Hey Joe, if you like crabbing i've seen people crab quite often at the pier off 15th street in west vancouver
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Yes, Ed, I recall going there this past weekend, on Saturday and I saw a few people there (at Ambleside) as well. They were catching dungeoness, but none were legal size. I love going out and crabbing and limiting out, but I don't like spending 4-6 hours waiting to catch at least 1-2 keepers. I have a place that I go to, but I have to drive for 45 minutes and hike in from the parking lot for about 15 minutes. I limit out within 30-60 minutes of red rock (not my favourite, but better than nothing). I find that I catch more dungeoness crab during the colder times of the year.
Another note, this past Saturday, when I was at Ambleside, I saw one fellow catch a beautiful coho (small egg sacks) just off the point to the mouth of the capilano - he was fishing into some fast current, had a stick lead with about 4-6 feet of leader with a big blue fox-type copper spinner with orange colour. He had a long rod, 10-12 feet.
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That guy definetly has more luck than me on the cap!
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Ed, me too ...
Before the bait ban took into effect on August 1st, I was fishing the freshwater below the Cable Pool Bridge with no luck! Although, I saw a few others catch them at the Cable Pool Lookout, using roe and a float, I didn't even get a bite using lures.
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Maybe somebody sould post the best time to go out this weekend?The tide change and things like that hehe
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Was at the New Westminster location tonight from around 6:45 to 8:00. Started out slow (since the tide was already heading back out), but after 15 minutes or so, saw fish jumping up out of the area from all directions. The next thing I know I look to my left and the guy standing there has a fish on! The fish fought hard, but he finally got it to shore, and I helped him net it (he didn't have his own net). Decent size, was at least 6-7lbs male.
Weird thing was when I was netting it, I saw it was a pink from the spots on the tail, so I lifted it out of the water so the guy could get to his spoon, but after he took the hook off, he was sort of nudging my net towards the water without saying anything, and I finally got the hint that he wanted to release it, but not before he grabbed the fish from the net and just chucked it back into the water.
At this point, the fish was belly up from being so tired and out of the water, but he didn't do anything to help the fish. So I grabbed it by it's open mouth (couldn't use both hands and grab it's tail in the position I was in) and I turned it right side up and started moving it left and right in a swimming motion to help the poor guy recuperate it's strength. I did this for about a full minute before it looked like it could move on it's own, and then I released it and it swam away slowly.
I told him 'nice catch', and he kind of just nodded at me, so I went back to my spot and started fishing again. I was already thinking to myself, I guess it's good that he's catching and releasing for sport, but if he is going to do that, you'd think that he'd know how to properly release the fish in a healthy state?
Anyways, 15 minutes later, he gets a fish on again! This time I asked him if he wanted help and he kinda just used a hand signal to say no so I let him be. Because he didn't have a net, he just reeled the guy in (didn't see the size since I wasn't up close, but definitely not as big as the first one) and pulled it out of the water and it landed on the sharp rocks that we were standing on. He took the hook off and again just threw the fish back into the water. When I saw this, I was like WTF? Dude, what's the point of catching and releasing if the fish are going to die by your hands anyways?? (I didn't actually say it out loud, just thought it).
I started getting bites afterwards as well, 2 maybe, one where it was fish on, but it shook the hook loose before I could even see him thrash along the surface. The second one jumped out of the water towards me causing my line to be slack, and I lost that one too.
After that, it just died down, where no fish could be seen jumping, and no one was getting any bites.
But just as I was about to leave, a guy further down to my right gets a fish on and successfully lands it with the help of his friend. I decided to give it a few more casts. It then seemed like it picked up again! This time the fish were much closer to shore jumping around. I managed to get two more solid bites, but again one of them was lost before it surfaced, and the other was lost since I changed rods with my gf that was there and the drag on it was set way too loose.
Anyhow, just wanted to say even though I didn't take home anything, it was fun just seeing those fish jump and getting those bites. Was a bit frustrating though seeing the way that guy handled the fish though...
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Yeah I saw someone at the Mamquam do the same thing. Catch the fish and roughly releasing it by throwing it in the shallow water.
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I went fishing in the lower fraser 5 or 6 times this year, and each time I saw guys snagging them (I mean hook them in the back, or bellies, or tail, or ....) and releasing them after. All afternoon.
I saw guys teaching that to their children!!!
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I went fishing in the lower fraser 5 or 6 times this year, and each time I saw guys snagging them (I mean hook them in the back, or bellies, or tail, or ....) and releasing them after. All afternoon.
I saw guys teaching that to their children!!!
They were releasing them as that is what your supposed to do with snagged fish, be thankful they weren't bonking um.
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I went fishing in the lower fraser 5 or 6 times this year, and each time I saw guys snagging them (I mean hook them in the back, or bellies, or tail, or ....) and releasing them after. All afternoon.
I saw guys teaching that to their children!!!
If you are seeing people intentionally snagging fish (different to unintentionally foul hooking fish once awhile), then phone 1-800465-4336 or 604-666-3500 and report it.
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I went fishing in the lower fraser 5 or 6 times this year, and each time I saw guys snagging them (I mean hook them in the back, or bellies, or tail, or ....) and releasing them after. All afternoon.
I saw guys teaching that to their children!!!
If you are seeing people intentionally snagging fish (different to unintentionally foul hooking fish once awhile), then phone 1-800465-4336 or 604-666-3500 and report it.
How do you intentionally snag a fish? You can't really see what's happening where your hook is? ???
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It's pretty rare to see people snagging fish in the tidal portion of the Fraser River, but from time to time, it happens and these are people who are fully aware of what they are doing. Usually they use a much thicker and stiffer rod, cast and simply rip the rod backward really hard, reel in the slack, and repeat the process until all the line is retrieved. I've seen it done on broad daylight while there are many people around. Some even go further by putting several treble hooks on their line.
This happens from time to time at the beaches behind Shady Island in Steveston because it is well hidden and they can spot DFO's boat coming in from miles away. Too bad really, because those beaches are very good for salmon fishing.
Four years ago we saw one boat drifting up the river at Garry Point Park during the incoming tide, and one guy hopped up onto the front of the boat and proceeded to take part in this technique, while dozens of people were watching. Most people obviously did not know what he was doing was wrong. Phoned them in with the boat make etc, but it was almost dark by then.
Two years ago when we were packing up after a good pink salmon fishing day at No. 3 Road, two guys showed up with the multi-treble hook setup and proceeded to snag when everyone left around sunset.
The funny thing is that it is actually easier to catch a pink salmon by spinning properly than ripping your line randomly. Unfortunately, sometimes newcomers who witness this will think it is the way to fish for salmon and copy the technique.
Phone them in, the river is patrolled heavily right now. Someone will be caught eventually.
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Thanks for your post Rodney. As I am fairly new to fishing, there have been times where I too have used this technique. I must also say that I was not aware of the inappropriateness of this technique. However, my rationalle for doing so was different - I actually read the back of the package for the Buzz Bombs and this technique is suggested (although it doesn't mean this is a correct or legal manoeuvre). I am guessing that many of the people you have seen doing this are using the Buzz Bombs, along with the treble hooks that are included in the package.
Now to make this educational (for myself and others), how would you suggest rigging up the Buzz Bombs? Do you use them with a spoon? Or are Buzz Bombs even necessary?
Cheers!
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Buzz bombs are mainly used in the saltwater, from either shore or a boat. The idea is to lift it up and let it sink freely to immitate a struggling baitfish. As the Buzz Bomb sinks freely, the salmon usually strikes it. You can avoid snagging fish by doing either a small fast twitch with the rod tip, or slowly lift the rod up, drop it down and reel in the slack line. It's not an easy technique and quite often you'll find yourself hooking the bottom if the slack line isn't reeled up fast enough when fishing from shore.
The treble hook comes with the package can be used in areas where treble hooks are permitted. If you are fishing in the Fraser River, you are only allowed to use a single hook so you just have to find a single hook to replace it. Treble hooks are still allowed in most other saltwater areas.
The rigging is simple, thread the buzz bomb onto the line, the rubber protector, then tie the hook on. I personally don't use it that much because I dislike having this lure sliding up and down the line when fighting a fish.
If you are fishing in the Fraser River, a spoon or a spinner would be a better choiced lure. My recommendation is a lure that weighs about 1/4 to 3/8oz. Any brightly coloured ones would work. Simply cast, allow it to sink for a few seconds, retrieve slowly (but not slow enough to the point that it is hitting the bottom). When the pink salmon strikes, it feels like a distinct tap on the rod tip. That's when you need to yank the rod. ;)
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Go to the Surrey docks and you will see snagging. People are almost shoulder to shoulder and jigging ,just like jigging for herring in the good old days .
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Gee whiz,, been off the thread a few days and this 'massive pink schools' thread has surely become a Massive one. It shows you how massive the readership of this forum is, hehe. ;D
Sorry I won't name any particular spot in my posts because of the nature of the beast of a popular forum like this, unless the spot is Brownsville Bar which every body knows. ;D
But Rod is right about pink fishing. No need to stick to any spot. Pinks swim through Richomd, N.West, Surrey, Langley and where have U. The important thing is to catch the right moment at the right tiime when the pink schools are thick, and that usually happens with rising tide. But there are people who swear they catch loads of fish with the out-going tide too. So, just find any good access point with a good flow and with a spot you can crack in and just try out your luck.
If you see a guy catching way more fish than any one around him, stop & watch him closely, like what type of terminal gear he uses, like spoon, spinner, plug, or fly, etc. Pay attention to the size, colour, metallic flashes, etc. Then watch how he presents it, such as distance he casts, how long he waits before he starts retrieving, and how fast he reels in. I mention this point because sure enough there was a guy doing just that on that day. At some stretch, he practically hook a fish with every cast, LOL. When I ask him where he bought that lure, he told me he savaged from the river bottom, LOL. Sometimes a lure will out perform other lures because of the condition of the day, such as sunny or cloudy and how fast the current is flowing. Perhaps a very sunny day causes the fish to stay lower and so delaying retrieval or slowing it will let the lure sink lower, and so hehas more hook ups than other fishermen. Another fisher told me he saw a guy hooked into roughly 50 pinks a few days earlier, way more than any one around. He wouldn't want to even mention what type of lure the guy used, LOL. I gues it takes a combination of factors, not just the lure. That is why it is important to observe the guy at the moment he is hooking so many fish and see why he is so much more successful. His technique may not be as effective when the condition changes. Whatever it is, it is true that some fishers can out perform those around him on any given day.
Have a great pink season and tight line.
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Good god, just got back from Saperton right now, was out there for 6 hours.... and nothing..... only saw maybe 4-5 pinks jump throughout the entire time there.... it was almost like the Pinks weren't coming through at all.
Was there from 1-7, the entire time the tide was coming in... what a waste of a day.
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It's never a waste of a day. That's why it's fishing, not catching. ;D
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Was out today and got my limit within an hour :)
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I was out as well this afternoon into evening and didn't have any success. I heard an FN boat had a net across the river near the new west quay but I can't confirm. That may explain why no fish were around in the area that was packed in a couple nights ago during the same tide.
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Hey Emac,
i saw the fishing boats too. it was about 4-5 of them that were going up & down the stream.
Around 5:30pm, i saw a sockeye jump and few pinks. no action on my side.
I was using gibson orange spoon...
guy any suggestion? i'm a newbie to game.
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Was out today and got my limit within an hour :)
Which area of the river did you fish bbronswyk2000? I have heard of a slow day from friends. Some one said they saw lots of pinks but they did not bite. Strange?
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Maple Ridge
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I was out as well this afternoon into evening and didn't have any success. I heard an FN boat had a net across the river near the new west quay but I can't confirm. That may explain why no fish were around in the area that was packed in a couple nights ago during the same tide.
That explains a lot...
Does anyone know if many fish travel along the portion of the Fraser entering between the Airport and Richmond, passing Mitchell Island and under the Knight street bridge? That portion eventually joins back up with the rest of the Fraser near New Westminster...
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me and wintersteel had a good weekend flyfishing for pinks in the lower fraser and no one was around, can't wait to get out again.
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Hi,
I went out as well for pinks on last Sat and Sun in the afternoon in Lower Fraser. On Sat, a school of pinks cruised by and many fishers got into them including me ;D ;D. It was slow on Sunday however. We saw CO's on Sunday. They came out to check our licenses. It was quite a surprise to see one guy got his hands cuffed and was taken away by CO's. I don't know exactly what was going on as I was quite far away. I thought you only would get a ticket if you don't have a license while fishing. Does anybody have any idea why?
Edit: Pink croc did the work for me.
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Too lippy with the CO's ?
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Hi,
I went out as well for pinks on last Sat and Sun in the afternoon in Lower Fraser. On Sat, a school of pinks cruised by and many fishers got into them including me ;D ;D. It was slow on Sunday however. We saw CO's on Sunday. They came out to check our licenses. It was quite a surprise to see one guy got his hands cuffed and was taken away by CO's. I don't know exactly what was going on as I was quite far away. I thought you only would get a ticket if you don't have a license while fishing. Does anybody have any idea why?
Edit: Pink croc did the work for me.
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r271/wtaksinrote/th_IMGP1121.jpg) (http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r271/wtaksinrote/IMGP1121.jpg)
If you have outstanding fines or previous offenses and have been served notice by the department that your license has been suspended you can be arrested on the spot. He/She has the chance to be suspended for long time if thats the case.Good on them. Make an example of the buttheads that continue to shirk the long hand of the law.
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Hey don't be fooled; the "anything pink" advice is a myth. It has been my experince they can be vary selective in what they will hit. The best producers I have found are the "Happy Hooker" and a fly that Randy the Hatch Match'r developed (Can't tell you the name because the last time I talked to him he still hadn't named it. Catch Pinks like nothing else though).
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Newsman is right on,the "Anything pink" theory is just a general rule of thumb to start with.
In clear water where the fish can see the presentation they can be darn right fussy especially when fish have swam past the 50 or so pinks baits before they got to see yours.
Changing size shape or colour when things are slow can make the difference even if its for just a couple of takes. For example the other day on the Fraser pink spoons just wasn't the ticket for me and the other fishers so I changed to a smallish,hammered croc and varied the retrieve from fast to slow to fast and started to get bites.
Yesterday I took out my #6RPL+ and started with a large fly that would stand out in the Fraser waters. An hour and a half later,nothing. Yet the spoon guys were getting sporadic bites.Got desperate so I changed to a different size and shape flies and began to get bites and limited out for the afternoon. :)
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black intruders work well for me today ... 13 fish throughout the day . around langley