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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: IronNoggin on February 16, 2012, 11:26:21 AM
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Motion to defeat this ridiculous burden on the taxpayer passed 159 to 130. (http://bestsmileys.com/thumbs/7.gif) (http://bestsmileys.com/thumbs/7.gif)
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/two-new-democrats-side-with-tories-on-final-gun-registry-vote/article2339883/
Now off to the Conservative controlled Senate for proper debating, followed immediately by rubber stamping.
A looooong overdue death for this inane BS shoved down our throats by the anti's!
I'll be having a Registration Burning Party very soon!! ;D
Cheers,
Nog
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Good riddance to rubbish.... ;D
Common sense says that law abiding citizens who had to register their guns, didn't use them to commit crimes and yet the Liberals still maintain the registry prevented crimes.
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at last. compleate waste of money.
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One good things they have done, fish farms next? ::)
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Now , after they finally did it, I don't have to vote for them anymore ;D
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Now , after they finally did it, I don't have to vote for them anymore ;D
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Nice to see them keep their promise. I'm going to have a little scotch and reg burning session when the senate passes the bill - might even buy myself a new firearm to celebrate.
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Just a quick question on this, what happens to all the info on registered guns they have collected to this point? When this silly law first came out i registered all my long guns and i am curious what happens with all that info now this is being abolished. The last thing is what do we do with all the paper work we have on these, reg cards etc ?
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Just a quick question on this, what happens to all the info on registered guns they have collected to this point? When this silly law first came out i registered all my long guns and i am curious what happens with all that info now this is being abolished.
Quebec is suing to keep the information intact. ::)
Harper et al is ignoring that, and planning to proceed with it's immediate destruction once the Senate signs off. ;D
Cheers,
Nog
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Whoa... Thats was quick thanks Nog
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not to forget that this would have been long gone had Rock not used it as a bargaining chip with the Cretian, I'll step aside as long as you keep the registry, rumour has it.
hate to give the guy any credit, but enus (Harper) stuck too his word.
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He stuck to his word about 1 thing only though - he‘s still a snake as far as I‘m concerned. He has no qualms about lying to us when it suits his purpose and he thinks he can get away with it.
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He stuck to his word about 1 thing only though - he‘s still a snake as far as I‘m concerned. He has no qualms about lying to us when it suits his purpose and he thinks he can get away with it.
Totally agree buzzbomb, I think Harper is hell bent in undoing everything that Canada and Canadians have been respected for worldwide. He is nothing but a Bush/Cheney Clone with the despicable morals of Maggie Thatcher.
The good part about this exercise will be that Canadians are being reminded about what has been taken for granted for too long and are starting to fight his ultra right wing ideology.
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The bill passed the senate and today should get the GG‘s signature to become law. I guess half the country will be celebrating and half will be sad about this but it‘s how democracy works. If the governments we‘ve had in the last 40 years had only used the laws already in place it likely never would have happened and the money wasted could have funded something better, or if the Libs would have used some common sense in how they implemented the licensing and registration procedures, (instead of just sending out a few kids from NB with a polaroid and a stack of forms) we might not be stuck with the government we have now.
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The bill passed the senate and today should get the GG‘s signature to become law. I guess half the country will be celebrating and half will be sad about this but it‘s how democracy works. If the governments we‘ve had in the last 40 years had only used the laws already in place it likely never would have happened and the money wasted could have funded something better, or if the Libs would have used some common sense in how they implemented the licensing and registration procedures, (instead of just sending out a few kids from NB with a polaroid and a stack of forms) we might not be stuck with the government we have now.
You don't seriously believe that the only reason the voters elected the Conservative government was to get rid of the registry.... do you?? ??? ;D
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What if they are not able to separate the data??? What if its is only another sham from the conservatives? What if their rush to destroy the date is only a coverup, where they are unable to separate the information or the task will be enormous and very expensive ????
It seems to me that the conservative are not very open on the process of eliminating this information. Maybe all they want to do is to make you, and Quebec believe that the data is destroyed, but yet, are really unable to do so without huge costs and delays.
From the information I have seen, all the gun registry is all together with license info, hand guns, restricted arms and so forth. How do you separate the long gun ???
Pretend and lye about it?????
I would trust them a bit on that issue. We will probably never know. Or lets see if one of the Harperian can clarified on the process of elimination. Maybe Russ Hiebert can do it?????????????
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What if they are not able to separate the data??? What if its is only another sham from the conservatives? What if their rush to destroy the date is only a coverup, where they are unable to separate the information or the task will be enormous and very expensive ????
It seems to me that the conservative are not very open on the process of eliminating this information. Maybe all they want to do is to make you, and Quebec believe that the data is destroyed, but yet, are really unable to do so without huge costs and delays.
From the information I have seen, all the gun registry is all together with license info, hand guns, restricted arms and so forth. How do you separate the long gun ???
Pretend and lye about it?????
I would trust them a bit on that issue. We will probably never know. Or lets see if one of the Harperian can clarified on the process of elimination. Maybe Russ Hiebert can do it?????????????
I bet you also believe that the US government bombed their own world trade center...... ::)
The hand gun registry has existed a long time and the records were there before the silly long gun registry was started. The long guns would be identified as long guns so it will be very easy to get rid of that data. Separating it will be easier than separating a basket of apples and oranges. The minute the long gun registry is abolished the data is immediately obsolete. The reason is, most of us will be burning our registration papers, selling some guns and buying others.
The farmers and hunters in Quebec know as well as us that this registry was useless from the beginning. They don't want it duplicated in Quebec either. Getting rid of the registry is the right thing to do whether you are French or English!
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I am not saying that it is right or wrong, useful or not, but, it seems very weird to me that they are so reluctant on allowing provincial parties to retain the information or not. Beside, wasn't the gun registry created by each individual provinces anyway????? What about the cost to delete the registry ? Why are they so shy on that one??????????
to conclude, I will remain very cautious and uncertain on just about anything the Harper government put out.
And to answer on the U.S. comment, I don't trust the U.S. much more than our current government.
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I am not saying that it is right or wrong, useful or not, but, it seems very weird to me that they are so reluctant on allowing provincial parties to retain the information or not. Beside, wasn't the gun registry created by each individual provinces anyway????? What about the cost to delete the registry ? Why are they so shy on that one??????????
to conclude, I will remain very cautious and uncertain on just about anything the Harper government put out.
And to answer on the U.S. comment, I don't trust the U.S. much more than our current government.
The Feds under Chretien created the registry. If a province wants to implement it they will have to deal with their voters, the feds aren't going to help them and they shouldn't. If the registry was useless in BC it is also useless in Quebec. As I said before the data is obsolete the moment the registry is eliminated and it would be silly for a province to implement a registry based on obsolete data. It's also impractical to have a provincial registry. Would that mean I would have to register my guns in Quebec if I wanted to hunt there? Remember no criminals have ever registered their weapons in any province and that's what the registry was supposed to be protecting us from....
When you press the delete key on a computer it doesn't cost anything. The government has already promised to assimilate the workers into other government jobs(great thing about a government job). Leases on the office space will have to be terminated. I don't know what it will cost but I would venture to say it's a fraction of what the registry has already cost us, for no measurable benefit.
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The government can claim that they actually delete the info all they want, I still have my doubts. But, of course preventing any access will make it very difficult to tell , if indeed they do delete the info. In any case, nice to see that some confidence remains in this government.
Remember, control, alt and delete does not always work.
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Alwaysfishin I suppose it is naive to say the gun registry is the sole reason the tories won but I think it scored them a lot of votes. I‘m not sure about eliminating all the collected info - police all want the intelligence if it“s available. If they‘re responding to a call and the guy is known to have a pile of guns they‘d like to know that when they go if possible. Purplemonster, lots of crimes, and some terrible high profile ones are commited with registered guns, and that‘s part of why the registry doesn‘t work. The Saskachewan Wildlife Federation was putting out ads calling for a minimum 5 or 7 year sentence for crimes commited with a firearm in about 1968 and there still isn‘t a minimum. They were trying to head off the FAC program that came 10 years later.